Where would the Panthers be if they sat Bryce Young last season?

[CRA]

56 minutes ago, Gapanthersfan said:

Dalton gets us to 5-7 wins. It would have been much easier to mitigate pressure with his style of play, and the defense would have to respect his arm. I could also see him having a few 3 TD games. He’d still get rocked pretty bad and average 3 sacks a game. I could see him and Mingo meshing well, giving us more than 1 effective receiver. 

I’ve never seen such a propaganda campaign like the one that got Bryce chosen #1 overall. Everything that was advertised was fools gold. Strikingly unpolished. The moment this was seen, he should have undergone a strict conditioning, strengthening, and fundamentals program… but the politics of the situation would never let it happen. He needed a year. Dude looks like Red trying to get his bike back from Deebo every time he steps on the field (someone should photoshop that poo.) 

Dalton doesn't get us 5-7 wins.  Seattle had the 30th ranked defense.  And it took Dalton a career high in pass attempts to get the offense to basically reach NFL average for a day.   And if the Seattle D was better, they would have gotten home a lot more and not been a fraction of a second late coming for him all game. 

I don't think Bryce has the tools to be a good NFL QB.  He will never deliever what a #1 overall should.  And I think, we will move on from him.  But some have also chosen to overrate Dalton and what he could of done for us last year.   He would have been destroyed last year.  

[frankw]

More of the same arguments and copes. Yawn.

Need this season to get here so we can definitively know what we have in Bryce Young and get the excuses out the door once and for all.

Edited May 2 by frankw

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

More of the same arguments and copes. Yawn.

Need this season to get here so we can definitively know what we have in Bryce Young and get the excuses out the door once and for all.

No one is making an argument FOR Bryce Young. I think we're just pointing out the fallacy that Dalton was this huge improvement at the QB position that would have saved the season. He wouldn't have made it through 8 games. He wouldn't have passed 60 times a game. He wouldn't have played an injured Seattle defense every week.

[frankw]

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

No one is making an argument FOR Bryce Young. I think we're just pointing out the fallacy that Dalton was this huge improvement at the QB position that would have saved the season. He wouldn't have made it through 8 games. He wouldn't have passed 60 times a game. He wouldn't have played an injured Seattle defense every week.

Dalton is honestly garbage. He's on par with Sam Darnold at this stage in his career.

All circumstances aside you want your #1 pick to be a push minimum in comparison. Not one of the statistical worst rookie season of the last 20 years.

Bryce has a lot of work to do and a lot to make up for. I hope he does. We will know by November.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Dalton is honestly garbage. He's on par with Sam Darnold at this stage in his career.

 

easy cowboy

[frankw]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

easy cowboy

Remember that Saints game to close the season in 2022?

Just abysmal QB play.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, frankw said:

Remember that Saints game to close the season in 2022?

Just abysmal QB play.

damn it, you arent wrong but darnold is a special special kind of bad

 

[CPF4LIFE]

33 minutes ago, CRA said:

Dalton doesn't get us 5-7 wins.  Seattle had the 30th ranked defense.  And it took Dalton a career high in pass attempts to get the offense to basically reach NFL average for a day.   And if the Seattle D was better, they would have gotten home a lot more and not been a fraction of a second late coming for him all game. 

I don't think Bryce has the tools to be a good NFL QB.  He will never deliever what a #1 overall should.  And I think, we will move on from him.  But some have also chosen to overrate Dalton and what he could of done for us last year.   He would have been destroyed last year.  

So in your opinion....Dalton doesnt beat the the falcons week 1, saints week 2, winless vikings, texans, falcons at home, bears starting a undrafted QB, neither bucs games where we only scored a combined 18 points in both games? 

Yes or no question. 

Edited May 2 by CPF4LIFE

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Dalton is honestly garbage. He's on par with Sam Darnold at this stage in his career.

All circumstances aside you want your #1 pick to be a push minimum in comparison. Not one of the statistical worst rookie season of the last 20 years.

Bryce has a lot of work to do and a lot to make up for. I hope he does. We will know by November.

Frank? What game did Sam Darnold play over his entire time in Carolina where he look remotely as good as Daltons one game against Seattle? Name one. Not even stats wise, with a much better supporting cast.

Agree Bryce needs to play better. The oline needs to be better. The receivers need to be better. The TEs need to be better. The running backs need to be better. The scheme and playcalling need to be better. Yet, some are hung up on one player not elevating all those weaknesses. But you're right, barring injuries, we'll know more by November-ish.

[NCBlu]

Maybe it's just me but I think the team plays a lot better if Young sits because players know when a guy is not ready so I'm sure most the team knew by game 3 of the Young era they was not going to be much. Imagine a soon to be FA knowing that your next job depends on a over his head rookie making the team look good so everyone don't think all players on the worst team stink.

Coaches always say the best will play no matter your draft spot then they turn around and put in a guy that is clearly not ready, how would you feel knowing you don't have much of a chance. WRs got a raw deal last season everyone wants to blame them but there was plenty of times they where open just didnt get the ball or all the WRs running the same curl routes over and over all season because the coaches didn't trust Young so it made everyone look bad because the D knew what was coming...

[Shotgun]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

damn it, you arent wrong but darnold is a special special kind of bad

 

Yeah like throw a terrible pick on the first play of the game bad...true story.

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

So in your opinion....Dalton doesnt beat the the falcons week 1, saints week 2, winless vikings, texans, falcons at home, bears starting a undrafted QB, neither bucs games where we only scored a combined 18 points in both games? 

Yes or no question. 

Dalton wouldn't survive that many games. Bryce saved himself often and weekly with legs.   I think a lot of those games, people would have taken an even bigger issue with our OL because Dalton of been rocked on plays Bryce wasn't.  I mean, Bryce goes down easy when you get your hand on them. But Dalton wouldn't of escaped as much. 

5-7 is too high with our talent last year.  5-7 was basically the Dalton range on better Cowboy, Saints teams when he played for them.  And they easily had better skill talent, scheme and OL play than the 24 Panthers. 

[Shotgun]

4 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

So in your opinion....Dalton doesnt beat the the falcons week 1, saints week 2, winless vikings, texans, falcons at home, bears starting a undrafted QB, neither bucs games where we only scored a combined 18 points in both games? 

Yes or no question. 

  I would add the Colts game to that list too, Young threw 3 picks in that game 2 were pick sixes.

[CPF4LIFE]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Dalton wouldn't survive that many games. Bryce saved himself often and weekly with legs.   I think a lot of those games, people would have taken an even bigger issue with our OL because Dalton of been rocked on plays Bryce wasn't.  I mean, Bryce goes down easy when you get your hand on them. But Dalton wouldn't of escaped as much. 

5-7 is too high with our talent last year.  5-7 was basically the Dalton range on better Cowboy, Saints teams. 

Saying he wouldnt have survived would imply that Bryce and Dalton are the same QB. We honestly gonna forget Dalton has 10 plus years in the league has seen every situation and circumstance, BRYCE PLAYED LIKE A ROOKIE and made ROOKIE MISTAKES/DECISIONS . Dalton is not a rookie and has too much experience in the league to imply he would have went down the same path and came out worse. That is the inconsistency in this discussion. 

Edited May 2 by CPF4LIFE