I don't get this at all

[Cyberjag]

and just to add the BPA philosophy, is an elite offensive tackle or RB is on the board when we pick I bet you we would pass on them in favor of W.R. who may not be ranked as high.

We drafted Kalil when we had Hartwig, who was coming off injury but who had just gone to the pro-bowl with Tennessee. When we took Connor it was a big WTF??? moment for fans everywhere.

The Panthers will take the BPA unless that player doesn't fit, and if that happens they'll trade down. That's what they did a few years ago when we got Beason.

[Brooklyn Bully]

WHOA. Uptown Girl lets get the facts straight. Jarrett was drafted in 2007. Do you remember that nightmare of a season? Jake went out with Tommy John and we had a revolving door of David "Lemon" Carr, Vinnie Testeverde and Matt Moore. The next year our modus operandi was run, run, then run it some more. Jake had an average year till the playoffs when he flat out sucked. In 2009 Jake had a hangover from the Playoffs and continued to suck. So Jarrett has hardly had a fair shot with a decent consistent QB. Jarrett will likely step up as the number 2 but we still need to use that 2nd on the BEST WR/KR available. Jarrett would be better used as a possession receiver and a speedster draft pick CAN make an impact in his rookie year as a return guy and deep threat.

Yes, Dick Eye, I did forget that Jake wasn't there all 16 games in 2007. Not too sure how I did but that doesn't matter. Jarrett STILL has to show the coaches and the QB that he is READY to play. I don't care if Tom Brady or Lou Ferrigno is the QB (or Carr, Vinny, Moore in 07)...Jarrett will play more when he shows the team he's trustworthy. Kenny Moore started over him for crying out loud last year. And we've been a run team for a while now, that's no excuse. We still had to pass it.

I'll gladly eat crow if the only thing missing in the Jarrett equation was a "good" QB. But will you when Moore to Jarrett doesn't net the stats you think it will? No, you'll say he'll be good...next year.

[methodtoll]

Ok the first 2 rounds you go based off of bpa thats of a need. in rounds later than that you dont expect any immediate contribution so at the point you take the Dan conor's. Kalil was a need when we drafted him. I did'nt say W.R was our only option but looks to be the mose likely.

And then finally. We could draft a QB, if one they really liked dropped to them, but logically speaking no qb we get with the 48th pick is going to be ready to back matt moore up nearly as well as the qb's who will be on the market as a F.A.

Kalil was not a need at that time and a lot of fans were questioning why we drafted him

To add to more examples: Many expected us to draft Troy Williamson or Derrick Johnson back in 05 but we ended up selecting Thomas Davis

Or what about us drafting Beason when may expected us to make a play for Patrick Willis (which plays the same position but no one really considered Beason) or a safety... Some even speculated that we would draft Brady Quinn!

Just saying

[coxc63]

You're an idiot. You honestly think our FO is too stupid to notice that Jarrett is a superstar, and that Jake has 100% trust in him...but just can't figure out how to unlock his eyes off Smith. That's sad.

No I think our FO is too stupid to notice that a player doesn't always need separation to make a good play down the field...that our QBs aren't aware that if jarrett is singled covered then throw the ball up he'll come down with it. But when the offence is built around one reciever all the fans are blind to the other recievers on the team. Cuz god forbid if the ball is thrown out of smittys direction the whole fan base will boo. And your the idiot for not noticing talent when its right in front of your eyes.

[House]

and just to add the BPA philosophy, is an elite offensive tackle or RB is on the board when we pick I bet you we would pass on them in favor of W.R. who may not be ranked as high.

I think you are completely wrong here. If an elite tackle was still on the board at #48 I guarantee you we would take him. I doubt there would be but we would be stupid to pass up the ability to draft an elite OLman in the second round no matter how good our starters are.

[Cyberjag]

Or what about us drafting Beason when may expected us to make a play for Patrick Willis (which plays the same position but no one really considered Beason) or a safety... Some even speculated that we would draft Brady Quinn!

Actually that's a great example. We would have taken Willis in a heartbeat if he was there, but he wasn't. We needed a Linebacker or a Safety, and the best at either position would have been a reach. So instead of taking BPA or reaching, we traded down and got Beason and Kalil. The rest is history.

[House]

No I think our FO is too stupid to notice that a player doesn't always need separation to make a good play down the field...that our QBs aren't aware that if jarrett is singled covered then throw the ball up he'll come down with it. But when the offence is built around one reciever all the fans are blind to the other recievers on the team. Cuz god forbid if the ball is thrown out of smittys direction the whole fan base will boo. And your the idiot for not noticing talent when its right in front of your eyes.

If your #2 WR is so slow that the only way to get him the ball is to throw it really high and pray he comes down with it, he shouldn't be your #2 WR.

[Cyberjag]

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I think our FO is too stupid to notice that a player doesn't always need separation to make a good play down the field...

[i think] that our QBs aren't aware that if jarrett is singled covered then throw the ball up he'll come down with it.

[i think] the offence is built around one reciever [and] all the fans are blind to the other recievers on the team.

Speaks for itself. There are about a thousand fans on this board that make more sense than you do.

[Razzy]

I don't. I count on Jarrett to step up at #2, and whoever we draft to play slot.

[Brooklyn Bully]

No I think our FO is too stupid to notice that a player doesn't always need separation to make a good play down the field...that our QBs aren't aware that if jarrett is singled covered then throw the ball up he'll come down with it. But when the offence is built around one reciever all the fans are blind to the other recievers on the team. Cuz god forbid if the ball is thrown out of smittys direction the whole fan base will boo. And your the idiot for not noticing talent when its right in front of your eyes.

You may want to check out Moose's numbers, since you think everything is directed at Smith. And they spell it "offence" in the UK. Are you a surly Brit?

[jasonluckydog]

We need a Deshaun Jackson type of player but will end up with a Devin Thomas

[panther4life]

Kalil was not a need at that time and a lot of fans were questioning why we drafted him

To add to more examples: Many expected us to draft Troy Williamson or Derrick Johnson back in 05 but we ended up selecting Thomas Davis

Or what about us drafting Beason when may expected us to make a play for Patrick Willis (which plays the same position but no one really considered Beason) or a safety... Some even speculated that we would draft Brady Quinn!

Just saying

as Cyberjag pointed out we had Hartwig coming off injury so we did in fact need Kailil...

Derrick Johnson plays the same position as Davis and as a matter of a fact according to most peeps he was the BPA above Davis at the time. Beason was drafted after Willis who also plays the same position as Willis. And according to alot of people Quinn was the BPA on the board at the time, remember he fell alot. It almost seems as if your solidifying my argument without realizing it

[methodtoll]

as Cyberjag pointed out we had Hartwig coming off injury so we did in fact need Kailil...

Derrick Johnson plays the same position as Davis and as a matter of a fact according to most peeps he was the BPA above Davis at the time. Beason was drafted after Willis who also plays the same position as Willis. And according to alot of people Quinn was the BPA on the board at the time, remember he fell alot. It almost seems as if your solidifying my argument without realizing it

Actually, what I am arguing is the fact that most fans are sold on a certain position or player and yet mostly every time the Hurney and and Fox pull a fast one on ya.

To counter argue, Kalil was not a need due to the fact that Hartwig was on the roster and there were other guys on there that could play multiple positions. Most, at the time, consider this a move of value more then need and it certainly paid off. The same is said about Connor, not really a need because we have Beason and solid LBing corp but again, its about value.

As for Davis, at the time, nobody knew for certain whether he was a safety or a linebacker which is why most fans, AT THE TIME, questioned this pick over Derrick Johnson.

and if Brady Quinn was really the BPA then why did the Panthers pass on him to move down and get Beason? Beason, to me, was more of a BPA then Quinn, I believe

[firstdayfan]

The BPA approach is a solid philosophy except for the first pick for the panthers. The first pick whether first or second round is generally someone the FO is targeting for a specific reason. After that first pick the BPA approach is in full swing.

The reason I feel that way is that the first pick generally needs to fill some role for the team...be it a future replacement (brown, beason) a quality backup (Jonathon Stewart), a mike vick spy (Thomas davis), or a gaping hole (gross, peppers, gamble). Those first picks HAVE to fill a need and the role that the FO envisions. This year that role is a potential starter at WR...so the first pick will probably be a WR it just depends on which one they have their eye on.

After that the FO has been really good at taking the BPA for later picks do we could see a CB in the 3rd, a safety in the 4th, or a QB at some point (although I don't want one)...it's really up in the air.

But bc they signed brayton and expect connor to start I feel that the first pick will be a WR. The only scenerio that I could see us not picking a receiver would be if eversen griffen dropped to the second round and we made a move up to get him but since we picked a DE with the first pick last year I doubt that would happen.