An analysis of Brooks from The Fantasy Footballers provides possible insight as to why he's worth the price paid

[rayzor]

12 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

McCaffrey had 3,864 yards on 434 touches (337 carries, 45 catches, 15 PR, and 37 KR) in his Sophomore year alone.

CMC had 6,333 yards on 821 touches in his 3 year college career... it's going to take Brooks multiple NFL seasons to even get to the number of touches/hits that CMC took in college alone.

DWill was someone that everyone was concerned with because of his college work load as well. 

guy came into the league with over 1k touches (969 carries + 70 rec) and about 6750 combined yards. 

[rayzor]

18 hours ago, electro's horse said:

ACL tears are one of the most common and simple ortho procedures. A total tear is even easier to fix. If it's frayed or ruptured or whatever you have to put this synthetic mesh around it to protect it, but if it's just straight torn the replacement is just a strong as the original. We take a tendon from the thight, remove the damaged ACL, and just basically string the new ligament through the hole. ACL kinda just goes through the middle of the knee and keeps it together for stability.

They used to be horrific because they had to cut the knee open and do substantial damage to the bone. People were laid up for 12 weeks while the damage the surgery did heals. But now there is so little damage relatively, and the procedure has been nailed down so well, that the biggest thing is just waiting for the incisions to heal and getting used to the knee and rebuilding all that strength.

like i can't exaggerate how simple this procedure it. The medical device reps literally are in charge of it, and just use a laser pointer to point out what piece goes where. Everyone thinks they have the best orthopedic surgeon in the country. Everyone always goes to "the best knee guy in town" or whatever. What none of them realize is more often than not the PA is opening, closing, and sometimes doing most of the procedure.

Like there's some random dude in central tennessee who thinks he had the best surgeon in the state do his acl repair which actually it was me on my surgery rotation.

thanks for the input here. 

we're all pretty clueless and working on assumptions and observations from the Thomas Davis days.

[OldhamA]

21 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Not that I feel the Panthers are in position to draft ahead...although ideally you don't pass up a talent though you may have a starter. As much as I enjoy Hubbard, he shouldn't be the starter, despite his admirable efforts at taking it and holding onto it last season. 

I'd be a nightmare to draft against if I was a GM.

I'd use the Draft for what it's meant to be - an opportunity to acquire talent. You should take the best player on YOUR board at your pick.

FA is where you fill needs and holes - those players are much more proven commodities. 

[Jon Snow]

12 minutes ago, rayzor said:

DWill was someone that everyone was concerned with because of his college work load as well. 

guy came into the league with over 1k touches (969 carries + 70 rec) and about 6750 combined yards. 

I never wanted DWill extended. I was uncommitted on JStew.

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I never wanted DWill extended. I was uncommitted on JStew.

once we drafted JStew I felt we had to let DWill walk

once they paid DWill I thought you had to let JStew walk

but that made you a hater.  In real time, everyone loved those dudes.  They were interreacting with fans and all sorts of stuff.  Can't remember the details but I feel they had a little online fanclub thing  and were sort of early to the online engagement. 

 

 

[PNW_PantherMan]

The double trouble teams would have won a Super Bowl if Jake didn’t completely break down.  2003-2005 Jake with 2008s roster is a Super Bowl team.  

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

once we drafted JStew I felt we had to let DWill walk

once they paid DWill I thought you had to let JStew walk

but that made you a hater.  In real time, everyone loved those dudes.  They were interreacting with fans and all sorts of stuff.  Can't remember the details but I feel they had a little online fanclub thing  and were sort of early to the online engagement. 

 

 

extending cmac when  we did was equally insane

[pantherclaw]

49 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

I'd be a nightmare to draft against if I was a GM.

I'd use the Draft for what it's meant to be - an opportunity to acquire talent. You should take the best player on YOUR board at your pick.

FA is where you fill needs and holes - those players are much more proven commodities. 

I never understood passing up talent when they're right in front of you.  Been watching football way to long to think that any team can have the luxury of passing over talent.

[KSpan]

58 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

I'd be a nightmare to draft against if I was a GM.

I'd use the Draft for what it's meant to be - an opportunity to acquire talent. You should take the best player on YOUR board at your pick.

FA is where you fill needs and holes - those players are much more proven commodities. 

The problem is that the bulk of FA happens before the draft. Don't have the luxury of picking sheer talent and then filling gaps with top FAs. That doesn't mean people sacrifice significant talent based on need of course, but it makes the draft calculus that much more complicated. 

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

once we drafted JStew I felt we had to let DWill walk

once they paid DWill I thought you had to let JStew walk

but that made you a hater.  In real time, everyone loved those dudes.  They were interreacting with fans and all sorts of stuff.  Can't remember the details but I feel they had a little online fanclub thing  and were sort of early to the online engagement. 

 

 

Sure they had fans and fans will do what fans do. I really liked both of them myself but I knew paying one or both was a bad idea. One has nothing to do with the other. But fans will label any opinions other than they want hear as hate or whatever they choose to throw around.  I never listen to that noise because it ignorance at minimum and stupidity at worse.

[OldhamA]

28 minutes ago, KSpan said:

The problem is that the bulk of FA happens before the draft. Don't have the luxury of picking sheer talent and then filling gaps with top FAs. That doesn't mean people sacrifice significant talent based on need of course, but it makes the draft calculus that much more complicated. 

You fill every gaping hole on your roster with mid-tier FAs. If they get passed over by your Draft pick, so be it.

Teams always draft on need and it's bonkers. I've seen people clowning the Raiders for taking Bowers - dude is probably the best player in this Draft.

[Panthering]

His lack of mileage on his legs is pretty awesome for us & zero fumbles in college. Eye popping 6+ YPC but that's got to be a product of his very good O-Line & football team. It's got a ton of upside.

[electro's horse]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

once we drafted JStew I felt we had to let DWill walk

once they paid DWill I thought you had to let JStew walk

but that made you a hater.  In real time, everyone loved those dudes.  They were interreacting with fans and all sorts of stuff.  Can't remember the details but I feel they had a little online fanclub thing  and were sort of early to the online engagement. 

 

 

There was definitely a little clique with them that included beason, kalil, and Ryne Robinson. We used to sit in front of Ryne’s gf/wife at panthers games and they all hung out together all the time. I also remember Dwill went absolutely insane for Halloween. Like burying himself in loose soil and popping up with a chainsaw without a chain and chasing kids around the neighborhood  

That was early on tho. Dwill definitely wore out his welcome in Carolina and in Pittsburgh too. makes sense when you think of how heavily Jstew is featured for fan stuff. You wouldn’t even know dwill played for Carolina based on how they show him. 

[electro's horse]

2 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

The double trouble teams would have won a Super Bowl if Jake didn’t completely break down.  2003-2005 Jake with 2008s roster is a Super Bowl team.  

Jake had melted down multiple times during that season as well, notably against Oakland and Detroit. No one remembers it because those were two of the worst teams in the league and the panthers managed to grind it out. 
 

Cant really say Jake wouldn’t have had another one if they’d moved on. 
 

also, jake would have needed to have a Super Bowl game to beat the cards. Yeah we remember scoring a td on three plays, but the cardinals weren’t struggling either and Ken Lucas was completely outmatched. Maybe Fox makes an adjustment (lol) if things don’t go off the rails so fast but the cardinals were peaking and, well, yeah.