Panthers Select Trevin Wallace LB - Pick 72, Round 3

[kungfoodude]

15 hours ago, mav1234 said:

Did Horn have a significant injury history in college? I didn't think he did but may be wrong 

It wasn't what I would call significant but he did miss some time with injury in his college career.

It's not a comparison with Wilson. Wilson's college career largely looked like Horn's NFl career, minus the injury free last couple of years.

Which, I suppose that is another arrow in the quiver of the Horn stans that say he will be healthy forever once he leaves us.

There is no way to know. Also, even if that were the case, what would it matter? If he couldn't stay healthy for us but does elsewhere, what exactly are we supposed to do about it?

[Navy_football]

20 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That and the fact he might be a one contract player given the age. 

All that being said, I still would have preferred we gambled on him than someone like Wallace.

Wallace just so clearly is in the mold of a Fitterer/Rhule "I'm smarter than everyone else" selection.

At this point, stop being cute. Get players who can just fuging play.

I feel like this is something we have lost the ability to do as a franchise.

How many times has this team's front office skipped the consensus player for "their guy"? It's an embarrassing amount of times. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Navy_football said:

How many times has this team's front office skipped the consensus player for "their guy"? It's an embarrassing amount of times. 

I couldnt possibly agree with this any more.  You are spot on

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

How many times has this team's front office skipped the consensus player for "their guy"? It's an embarrassing amount of times. 

We just get cute at such bad times. Or we tend to draft on need rather than BPA. Most of the draft mistakes, we fuging make.

Our last draft is littered with that. Pick one, trade up to get a guy that is far from a sure thing. Moderately high ceiling but ultimately project player. Which....what was the rush on a guy like that? There are more guys in perhaps lower tiers. Not a major offense but just not super smart IMO.

Second pick, overdrafted for a very good football player but just not paying attention to positional value at all. Bigger needs and higher positional value available. Again, absolutely do not dislike the player but is the difference in Brooks and say a 3rd or 4th round RB big enough to warrant passing on a new starting center? A LB? EDGE? 

Then promptly in the 3rd we make a major reach(IMO) on a high level athlete with questionable football abilities. So, basically a guy that immediately projects as a special teams player. Well, what value is that in the 3rd? In the first 1-3 rounds, you need to be looking at guys that have a shot at actually being in your two deep. When is this guy seeing the field, exactly? 2 years? 3? And that's probably best case. That's not a 3rd rounder, that's a 5th-7th rounder or a UDFA.

Edited June 1 by kungfoodude

[LinvilleGorge]

33 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That and the fact he might be a one contract player given the age. 

All that being said, I still would have preferred we gambled on him than someone like Wallace.

Wallace just so clearly is in the mold of a Fitterer/Rhule "I'm smarter than everyone else" selection.

At this point, stop being cute. Get players who can just fuging play.

I feel like this is something we have lost the ability to do as a franchise.

Yeah I hope I'm wrong about Wallace but I just don't see it.

[kungfoodude]

12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah I hope I'm wrong about Wallace but I just don't see it.

I mean, at this point who is seeing what our franchise is on just about any move? Matt Millen?

[LinvilleGorge]

17 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, at this point who is seeing what our franchise is on just about any move? Matt Millen?

Pretty much the only thing giving me hope about Wallace is that our GM was a helluva LB himself so hopefully he's seeing a lot that I'm not.

[Navy_football]

39 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We just get cute at such bad times. Or we tend to draft on need rather than BPA. Most of the draft mistakes, we fuging make.

Our last draft is littered with that. Pick one, trade up to get a guy that is far from a sure thing. Moderately high ceiling but ultimately project player. Which....what was the rush on a guy like that? There are more guys in perhaps lower tiers. Not a major offense but just not super smart IMO.

Second pick, overdrafted for a very good football player but just not paying attention to positional value at all. Bigger needs and higher positional value available. Again, absolutely do not dislike the player but is the difference in Brooks and say a 3rd or 4th round RB big enough to warrant passing on a new starting center? A LB? EDGE? 

Then promptly in the 3rd we make a major reach(IMO) on a high level athlete with questionable football abilities. So, basically a guy that immediately projects as a special teams player. Well, what value is that in the 3rd? In the first 1-3 rounds, you need to be looking at guys that have a shot at actually being in your two deep. When is this guy seeing the field, exactly? 2 years? 3? And that's probably best case. That's not a 3rd rounder, that's a 5th-7th rounder or a UDFA.

I feel the same. I don't hate the guys they picked up, but the draft really fell perfectly to the Panthers. 

Could have taken Ladd and Kool Aid in the 2nd, Payton in the 3rd, Ja'Tavion in the 4th, SVP and Trotter in the 5th, and Malik Washington in the 6th

That would have been a very exciting draft in my opinion. 

 

 

 

 

[Martin]

There seems to be a lot of confusion between consensus value and your own personal preference. 
 

He was a 3rd rounder among most respected analysts (Dane Brugler etc.). We drafted him in the third round. Hence it was not some kind of crazy reach. Very different from DJ Johnson last year.

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, Martin said:

There seems to be a lot of confusion between consensus value and your own personal preference. 
 

He was a 3rd rounder among most respected analysts (Dane Brugler etc.). We drafted him in the third round. Hence it was not some kind of crazy reach. Very different from DJ Johnson last year.

I think it's the fact the we drafted another raw athletic project not necessarily where he was picked.  

[strato]

I’m going to remain hopeful and try to remember that this season probably isn’t why we took him.

And people can argue we had more pressing needs, we probably had reasons I can’t know for not moving on a couple of them (in the C department, just guessing they didn’t want a rookie out there this year). 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, strato said:

I’m going to remain hopeful and try to remember that this season probably isn’t why we took him.

And people can argue we had more pressing needs, we probably had reasons I can’t know for not moving on a couple of them (in the C department, just guessing they didn’t want a rookie out there this year). 

 

Has Corbett ever played a down at center in his life? He was a LT in college and he's been an OG his entire NFL career. This kinda feels like the "Byron Bell can play LT because he's left handed" thing all over again. This guy is a bit undersized at guard so naturally he'll make a great center! 

[strato]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Has Corbett ever played a down at center in his life? He was a LT in college and he's been an OG his entire NFL career. This kinda feels like the "Byron Bell can play LT because he's left handed" thing all over again. This guy is a bit undersized at guard so naturally he'll make a great center! 

I hear that too but he is not new to NFL DL size and speed, and is maybe less likely to have his brain overloaded. All I got. But for whatever reason I sort of knew they would skip a C for something else.

Edited June 2 by strato

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Has Corbett ever played a down at center in his life? He was a LT in college and he's been an OG his entire NFL career. This kinda feels like the "Byron Bell can play LT because he's left handed" thing all over again. This guy is a bit undersized at guard so naturally he'll make a great center! 

Looks like he only did during the preseason for the Browns in 2018-2019 claiming it was for a total of 203 snaps which seems high? I think he was penciled in as backup behind Tretter. Center is definitely a big question mark… It looks like we have BC taking some reps at center too, which I’m not sure if he has played it before either?