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Panthers Select Xavier Legette WR - Pick 32, Round 1

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On 4/27/2024 at 8:28 PM, WUnderhill said:

I liked Ladd a lot but the reality is We already had the route runner and separator in Dionte Johnson. We didn’t have the take the top off the defense jump ball huge catch radius type player that Leggete seems to be.

This argument is so bogus. NFL teams aren’t limited to 1 separator on each team. The more the merrier, as they say. Just bc we have DJ does not mean we have to have a bunch of other WRs that can’t get open

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6 minutes ago, Panthers8969 said:

This argument is so bogus. NFL teams aren’t limited to 1 separator on each team. The more the merrier, as they say. Just bc we have DJ does not mean we have to have a bunch of other WRs that can’t get open

You need different style WRs for different plays and routes. Having the same type is doable but limits the offense. Who is our red zone target with Ladd and DJ? Who is stretching the defense on deep routes and keeping them honest? Who is winning the 50/50 jump balls? DC wants XL to be our smaller version of Evans or Metcalf from the offenses he was part of. 

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27 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

You need different style WRs for different plays and routes. Having the same type is doable but limits the offense. Who is our red zone target with Ladd and DJ? Who is stretching the defense on deep routes and keeping them honest? Who is winning the 50/50 jump balls? DC wants XL to be our smaller version of Evans or Metcalf from the offenses he was part of. 

The fact that you even need to explain this says a lot. Pure route running doesn't make a good receiver alone, if that was the case Ladd would have went much hire. 

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33 minutes ago, Panthers8969 said:

This argument is so bogus. NFL teams aren’t limited to 1 separator on each team. The more the merrier, as they say. Just bc we have DJ does not mean we have to have a bunch of other WRs that can’t get open

True but variety of types is valid and the coach (especially one of his background) selecting deliberately is understandable.

 

 

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1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

You need different style WRs for different plays and routes. Having the same type is doable but limits the offense. Who is our red zone target with Ladd and DJ? Who is stretching the defense on deep routes and keeping them honest? Who is winning the 50/50 jump balls? DC wants XL to be our smaller version of Evans or Metcalf from the offenses he was part of. 

What is Mingo? None of the above. When did I say we couldn’t have multiple wr archetypes? Yall just keep saying DJ means no other separators which is so stupid 

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1 hour ago, Panthers8969 said:

This argument is so bogus. NFL teams aren’t limited to 1 separator on each team. The more the merrier, as they say. Just bc we have DJ does not mean we have to have a bunch of other WRs that can’t get open

I never said they should only have one, I just said they do have one.

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8 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

What is Mingo? None of the above. When did I say we couldn’t have multiple wr archetypes? Yall just keep saying DJ means no other separators which is so stupid 

Mingo is a big slot. At least that is where he was projected. I’m not saying we don’t need other separators, but we need WR that have different skill sets. Ideally you would want your X or bigger, physical guy like XL to also get separation. Ladd is probably a slot in the NFL and we needed an outside guy. He isn’t going to do well against physical CBs who press him at the LOS. 

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58 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Mingo is a big slot. At least that is where he was projected. I’m not saying we don’t need other separators, but we need WR that have different skill sets. Ideally you would want your X or bigger, physical guy like XL to also get separation. Ladd is probably a slot in the NFL and we needed an outside guy. He isn’t going to do well against physical CBs who press him at the LOS. 

Ladd has a much better chance of getting off the line while being pressed than XL does 

Big being and physical is great but if your footwork sucks by the time you’re done bullying your way through a CB the play will be dead

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12 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

This argument is so bogus. NFL teams aren’t limited to 1 separator on each team. The more the merrier, as they say. Just bc we have DJ does not mean we have to have a bunch of other WRs that can’t get open

Especially when you consider Diontae Johnson...

  • is a 1 year rental
  • could disappoint
  • could get injured

Bryce is really hurting for guys that are good in the dink and dunk game.  By the same vein you could argue that we already had Mingo so we don't need XL.  The truth is, we need help at receiver and nobody we have is that good.

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2 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Ladd has a much better chance of getting off the line while being pressed than XL does 

Big being and physical is great but if your footwork sucks by the time you’re done bullying your way through a CB the play will be dead

Ladd is going to be primarily slot. He struggles with press because of his size.

  • Modest play strength could create issues in beating press.
  • Limited production in 2023 due to back and ankle injuries.
  • Alarming number of deep ball-tracking drops in 2022.
  • Average acceleration driving through route stems.

He might not be sudden enough to beat press and will need to prove he has enough play strength to finish contested catches against tight man

They all have strengths and weaknesses. We need X or outside WRs though. AT is slot at this stage in his career, Mingo is best at slot, adding a 3rd slot while needing outside WRs wasn’t a route we were wanting to do. AD, XL, and Coleman were the WRs that we could have picked where we drafted. I personally preferred AD but XL has a lot to like.

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13 minutes ago, rayzor said:

you're about to see one.

After going back through 2021 I was able to find 2 semi comparable college careers: velus jones didn’t do poo until his 5th year and Toney didn’t do anything until his 4th year. Perhaps more optimistic comps further back 

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9 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

Can someone please provide examples of 5th year college wrs who did nothing their first 4 years panning out in the league? 

Moose didn’t show much in college until his 4th year and even then it was less than half the stats/production XL just showed. 

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