Char observer final mock Mike kaye

[scpanther22]

I dislike mocks with trades lol its so hard to predict something like that

[Growl]

26 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

I mean, Worthy is praised quite a bit for his technical soundness and route running ability. It's his size that people worry about.

 

SCOUTING REPORT: STRENGTHS

• Worthy is a natural playmaker, at his best with the ball in his hands. If you give even a little cushion he's going to beat you. Not just a deep threat he's a nightmare to defend on slants
• Fluid athlete with an elite explosive burst and speed to stretch the field and breeze past defenders. Has a quick first step and gets to top speed in a hurry.
• His speed is simply elite - He ran multiple 100-meter dash times between 10.5 and 10.65 seconds while in high school. He also repeatably ran sub-4.5 second 40-yard dash times as a freshman in high school.
• He plays with smoothness and balance, and Worthy shows a knack for setting up defensive backs
• Has impressive position versatility - surprisingly he has demonstrated he's able to line up consistently outside as well as dominate from the slot. Has also been used a punt returner
• He’s very good working outside the numbers, showing excellent ball-tracking skills, and he does the little things well downfield, including leaving enough room on the sideline for his quarterback to drop in a throw. He's demonstrated he's much faster now
• An impressively skilled route runner. Shows excellent discipline and makes sharp cuts
• Worthy has reliable hands and despite his size shows the willingness to make catches in traffic over the middle.

 

SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES

• He’ll have to develop a better feel for sitting down against zone coverage.
• NFL defenders will be able to knock him off his route because of his slight frame. It also presents a major injury risk and unless he gets significantly bigger will only be viewed as a role player in the pros. This is partially explanation for this is him being used as more of a deep threat
• Suffered a drop-off in production in 2022 after an amazing freshman campaign. Despite having 10 more passes thrown his way he ended up with 220 fewer yards and 4 fewer TDs over the course of the season
• Doesn't have the size to consistently win on the outside, but can be productive working the middle of the field and as a return man.

 

If Dionte is your X outside receiver, seems like he would be a good compliment to that.

you’ve got to understand that for most posters the evaluation is as simple as “broke the 40 record? So he’s John Ross huh no thanks” 

 

[MHS831]

53 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

Edgerrin Cooper is my choice for #33 if he's there. Then grab a WR.

The Lombardi video I posted in another thread a few minutes ago--Lombardi says, "You want to know what a team is going to do, look at the depth chart."  He also mentioned how only 27% of first round WRs succeed and how most of the good WRs in the NFL were day 2 and 3 players in the draft? 

We have 2 30-year old ILBs (Jewell and Thompson).  Not much behind them at all.  LB is a huge need. 

At CB, we have oft-injured Horn, Dane Jackson, and  33-year old Troy Hill at nickel.  Not much behind them. 

At WR, we have Johnson (a decent X), Thielen (a solid slot in his last year), and Mingo, a second year player at Z.  Behind them, we have Smith Marsette and MAYBE TMJ.  We could use a player to challenge Mingo and/or to groom for the slot position.  I contend that this is not as big of a need early as LB or CB. 

We could argue that C is in the cards.

[Tr3ach]

2 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Xavier will forever worry me until he can prove himself. 
I hope we don’t draft him.

My biggest problem with him is hes all speed.  Hes slight of frame and isnt going to make contested catches and doesnt run great routes.  Hes either screens or deep bombs.  You run a 4.21 the first couple routes and then you slow down.  When he slows down hes useless so you have to make sure to keep him fresh.  I think hes awesome as a luxury pick, but we arent in the position to make a luxury pick.

[TheSpecialJuan]

2 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

Second round — 33rd overall pick: Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas
 

Mock trade with Green Bay Packers

Panthers acquire: 41th (second round via the New York Jets) and 126th (fourth round) overall picks.

Packers acquire: 39th (second round) overall pick.

Second round — 41st overall pick (from GB via NYJ): Edgerrin Cooper, LB, Texas A&M

The Panthers probably need to start planning for life after Shaq Thompson. The longtime captain is coming off a serious leg injury and is in the final year of his reworked contract.

While there is a lot of optimism hovering around Thompson’s return, the Panthers should hedge their bets at inside linebacker. A succession plan at inside linebacker would be forward-thinking and wise from a long-term roster-building standpoint.

Third round — 65th overall pick: Ben Sinnott, TE, Kansas State

Fourth round — 101st overall pick: Kris Abrams-Draine, CB, Missouri
 

Fourth round — 126th overall pick (via GB): Braelon Allen, RB, Wisconsin
 

Fifth round — 141st overall pick (via NYG): Brenden Rice, WR, Southern California
 

Fifth round — 142nd overall pick (via TEN): Beaux Limmer, C, Arkansas

 

Seventh round — 240th overall pick (via PIT): Evan Anderson, NT, Florida Atlantic

FIRST ROUND, NO. 1 (VIA CHI): BRYCE YOUNG, QB, ALABAMA

SECOND ROUND, NO. 39: FELIX ANUDIKE-UZOMAH, EDGE, KANSAS STATE

THIRD ROUND, NO. 93 (VIA SF): A.T. PERRY, WR, WAKE FOREST

FOURTH ROUND, NO. 114: GARRETT WILLIAMS, CB, SYRACUSE

FOURTH ROUND, NO. 132 (VIA SF): CAMERON LATU, TE, ALABAMA

FIFTH ROUND, NO. 145: DORIAN WILLIAMS, LB, TULANE

This was Mike Kaye's final 2023 mock he was way off I can guarantee you our actual draft will look NOTHING like his 2024 mock draft

[Ricky Spanish]

43 minutes ago, Growl said:

you’ve got to understand that for most posters the evaluation is as simple as “broke the 40 record? So he’s John Ross huh no thanks” 

 

Worthy is a solid route runner and doesn't play as fast as his 40 time (not that he plays slow, just not THAT fast). His slight frame means when DBs get hands on him he is re-routed quite often, and he is not good against press man like some of the other leaner fast guys the past few drafts (Tank Dell, Flowers, Davonte Smith, Josh Downs). He doesn't play bigger than his frame, he plays as big as he is.

[XClown1986]

1 minute ago, Tr3ach said:

My biggest problem with him is hes all speed.  Hes slight of frame and isnt going to make contested catches and doesnt run great routes.  Hes either screens or deep bombs.  You run a 4.21 the first couple routes and then you slow down.  When he slows down hes useless so you have to make sure to keep him fresh.  I think hes awesome as a luxury pick, but we arent in the position to make a luxury pick.

I didn't see that when I watched him at all. He plays tough. He is not a finesse receiver. He mixes it up over the middle and will fight back to the ball. I think the issue with Worthy is that he needs to be more of a hands catcher. Lots of body catches. But that can be coached and trained. DJ Moore had similar issues coming out and he was able to get much better with it.

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

FIRST ROUND, NO. 1 (VIA CHI): BRYCE YOUNG, QB, ALABAMA

SECOND ROUND, NO. 39: FELIX ANUDIKE-UZOMAH, EDGE, KANSAS STATE

THIRD ROUND, NO. 93 (VIA SF): A.T. PERRY, WR, WAKE FOREST

FOURTH ROUND, NO. 114: GARRETT WILLIAMS, CB, SYRACUSE

FOURTH ROUND, NO. 132 (VIA SF): CAMERON LATU, TE, ALABAMA

FIFTH ROUND, NO. 145: DORIAN WILLIAMS, LB, TULANE

This was Mike Kaye's final 2023 mock he was way off I can guarantee you our actual draft will look NOTHING like his 2024 mock draft

positionally he sort of his the first 3 picks though.  QB, WR, Edge is what we did. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

48 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

The Lombardi video I posted in another thread a few minutes ago--Lombardi says, "You want to know what a team is going to do, look at the depth chart."  He also mentioned how only 27% of first round WRs succeed and how most of the good WRs in the NFL were day 2 and 3 players in the draft? 

We have 2 30-year old ILBs (Jewell and Thompson).  Not much behind them at all.  LB is a huge need. 

At CB, we have oft-injured Horn, Dane Jackson, and  33-year old Troy Hill at nickel.  Not much behind them. 

At WR, we have Johnson (a decent X), Thielen (a solid slot in his last year), and Mingo, a second year player at Z.  Behind them, we have Smith Marsette and MAYBE TMJ.  We could use a player to challenge Mingo and/or to groom for the slot position.  I contend that this is not as big of a need early as LB or CB. 

We could argue that C is in the cards.

OFFENSE
LWR	15	Mingo, Jonathan 23/2	88	Marshall Jr., Terrace 21/2	86	Strachan, Mike SF23
RWR	5	Johnson, Diontae T/Pit	83	Moore, David U/TB	87	Sims, Cam SF23	18	Camp, Jalen SF23
SWR	19	THIELEN, ADAM CC/Min	11	Smith-Marsette, Ihmir T/KC
LT	79	Ekwonu, Ikem 22/1	77	Nijman, Yosh U/GB	61	Lee, Ricky CF23
LG	68	Lewis, Damien U/Sea	66	Jensen, Nash CF23	65	DiRenzo, J.D. CF23
C	63	Corbett, Austin U/LAR	64	Mays, Cade 22/6
RG	50	Hunt, Robert U/Mia	62	Zavala, Chandler 23/4
RT	72	Moton, Taylor 17/2	70	Christensen, Brady 21/3	73	Manning, Ilm P/SF	76	Traore, Badara SF23
TE	82	Tremble, Tommy 21/3	80	Thomas, Ian 18/4	84	Sullivan, Stephen SF21	81	MATTHEWS, JORDAN SF23	48	Pierce, Chris SF23
QB	9	Young, Bryce 23/1	14	DALTON, ANDY U/NO
RB	30	Hubbard, Chuba 21/4	6	Sanders, Miles U/Phi	3	Blackshear, Raheem P/Buf	34	Boone, Mike SF23	39	Brown, Spencer CF21
RB									33	Cohen, Tarik SF23
DEFENSE
DE	95	Brown, Derrick 20/1	92	Williams, Raequan SF22
NT	99	Tuttle, Shy U/NO	91	Thurman, Nick SF23
DT	94	Robinson, A'Shawn U/NYG	93	Ray, LaBryan SF23
LOLB	7	CLOWNEY, JADEVEON U/Bal	45	Chaisson, K'Lavon U/Jax	38	Barno, Amaré 22/6	46	Leota, Eku CF23
LILB	54	THOMPSON, SHAQ 15/1	57	Wooten, Chandler P/Arz	33	Davis, Tae SF23
RILB	47	Jewell, Josey U/Den	53	Cherelus, Claudin W/NYJ
ROLB	98	Wonnum, D.J. U/Min	52	Johnson, DJ 23/3	43	Vilain, Luiji P/Min
LCB	8	Horn, Jaycee 21/1	32	Bootle, Dicaprio SF23	31	Jackson, Lamar SF23
SS	25	Woods, Xavier U/Min	22	Robinson, Jammie 23/5	42	Franklin Jr., Sam CF20
FS	20	Fuller, Jordan U/LAR	21	Scott, Nick CC/Cin	27	Cook, Alex P/NYG
RCB	23	Jackson, Dane U/Buf	29	Jamison, D'Shawn W/SF
NB	13	HILL, TROY U/LAR	37	Parker, AJ SF23

starters are set (except for CB) we need depth everywhere especially DE and LB

[MHS831]

7 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

OFFENSE
LWR	15	Mingo, Jonathan 23/2	88	Marshall Jr., Terrace 21/2	86	Strachan, Mike SF23
RWR	5	Johnson, Diontae T/Pit	83	Moore, David U/TB	87	Sims, Cam SF23	18	Camp, Jalen SF23
SWR	19	THIELEN, ADAM CC/Min	11	Smith-Marsette, Ihmir T/KC
LT	79	Ekwonu, Ikem 22/1	77	Nijman, Yosh U/GB	61	Lee, Ricky CF23
LG	68	Lewis, Damien U/Sea	66	Jensen, Nash CF23	65	DiRenzo, J.D. CF23
C	63	Corbett, Austin U/LAR	64	Mays, Cade 22/6
RG	50	Hunt, Robert U/Mia	62	Zavala, Chandler 23/4
RT	72	Moton, Taylor 17/2	70	Christensen, Brady 21/3	73	Manning, Ilm P/SF	76	Traore, Badara SF23
TE	82	Tremble, Tommy 21/3	80	Thomas, Ian 18/4	84	Sullivan, Stephen SF21	81	MATTHEWS, JORDAN SF23	48	Pierce, Chris SF23
QB	9	Young, Bryce 23/1	14	DALTON, ANDY U/NO
RB	30	Hubbard, Chuba 21/4	6	Sanders, Miles U/Phi	3	Blackshear, Raheem P/Buf	34	Boone, Mike SF23	39	Brown, Spencer CF21
RB									33	Cohen, Tarik SF23
DEFENSE
DE	95	Brown, Derrick 20/1	92	Williams, Raequan SF22
NT	99	Tuttle, Shy U/NO	91	Thurman, Nick SF23
DT	94	Robinson, A'Shawn U/NYG	93	Ray, LaBryan SF23
LOLB	7	CLOWNEY, JADEVEON U/Bal	45	Chaisson, K'Lavon U/Jax	38	Barno, Amaré 22/6	46	Leota, Eku CF23
LILB	54	THOMPSON, SHAQ 15/1	57	Wooten, Chandler P/Arz	33	Davis, Tae SF23
RILB	47	Jewell, Josey U/Den	53	Cherelus, Claudin W/NYJ
ROLB	98	Wonnum, D.J. U/Min	52	Johnson, DJ 23/3	43	Vilain, Luiji P/Min
LCB	8	Horn, Jaycee 21/1	32	Bootle, Dicaprio SF23	31	Jackson, Lamar SF23
SS	25	Woods, Xavier U/Min	22	Robinson, Jammie 23/5	42	Franklin Jr., Sam CF20
FS	20	Fuller, Jordan U/LAR	21	Scott, Nick CC/Cin	27	Cook, Alex P/NYG
RCB	23	Jackson, Dane U/Buf	29	Jamison, D'Shawn W/SF
NB	13	HILL, TROY U/LAR	37	Parker, AJ SF23

starters are set (except for CB) we need depth everywhere especially DE and LB

think about it--we added starters at G, G, X WR, and (in a weird way) C.  That is 4/11 positions on offense.  On defense,  we have already added Robinson (DE), Clowney and Wonnum (OLBs), Jewell (ILB), Jackson (CB), and Fuller (S).  If you consider the fact that we are getting Thompson back from IR, that makes 7/11 new starters on defense.  Only Horn and Hill (CBs), Tuttle (DT) and Brown (DE) are returning starters. We could use a nickel and depth at CB, a "dawg" LB to play behind our 30-year-old ILBs, and I am not sure how they feel about edge.   On offense, we could upgrade Mingo, Chubba, and TE.  If I had to pick the top 3 needs in relation to this draft, I would go (Considering who we have and how much a rookie would upgrade the position-even if it is in a reserve role):

1. Nickel CB  (Hill is 33 and Horn is hurt all the time.  Not much behind them.

2.  ILB depth (the new Kickoff rule will value linebackers, in my opinion)

3. Z Receiver  (Mingo had a decent season under these circumstances as a rookie--43 receptions on 83 yards, however, is not ideal.  Could mean separation is an issue, or timing.  Still, I think they should start him at the beginning of the year at least.  A  third round-fifth round WR like Rice, Walker, McCaffery etc. who can compete with Mingo but take over the slot role in 2025  could be to move here.  Instead of putting the #33rd pick on the seventh or eighth best WR, use those picks to fill other more pressing needs.  We have 2 good, established WRs who have had 1000 yard seasons.  Mingo had 418 yards as a rookie.  WR is a need, but are we blowing it out of proportion?

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[TheSpecialJuan]

19 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

think about it--we added starters at G, G, X WR, and (in a weird way) C.  That is 4/11 positions on offense.  On defense,  we have already added Robinson (DE), Clowney and Wonnum (OLBs), Jewell (ILB), Jackson (CB), and Fuller (S).  If you consider the fact that we are getting Thompson back from IR, that makes 7/11 new starters on defense.  Only Horn and Hill (CBs), Tuttle (DT) and Brown (DE) are returning starters. We could use a nickel and depth at CB, a "dawg" LB to play behind our 30-year-old ILBs, and I am not sure how they feel about edge.   On offense, we could upgrade Mingo, Chubba, and TE.  If I had to pick the top 3 needs in relation to this draft, I would go (Considering who we have and how much a rookie would upgrade the position-even if it is in a reserve role):

1. Nickel CB  (Hill is 33 and Horn is hurt all the time.  Not much behind them.

2.  ILB depth (the new Kickoff rule will value linebackers, in my opinion)

3. Z Receiver  (Mingo had a decent season under these circumstances as a rookie--43 receptions on 83 yards, however, is not ideal.  Could mean separation is an issue, or timing.  Still, I think they should start him at the beginning of the year at least.  A  third round-fifth round WR like Rice, Walker, McCaffery etc. who can compete with Mingo but take over the slot role in 2025  could be to move here.  Instead of putting the #33rd pick on the seventh or eighth best WR, use those picks to fill other more pressing needs.  We have 2 good, established WRs who have had 1000 yard seasons.  Mingo had 418 yards as a rookie.  WR is a need, but are we blowing it out of proportion?

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Completely agree with WR need being blown out of proportion. Many on here are not gonna be too happy when we pass on WR at #33 and #39 come Friday night.  Look at what the team has done in FA prioritizing o-line and I think that continues into the draft. We keep both 2nd rounders and take a C with #33 or #39 

[TLGPanthersFan]

1 hour ago, Tr3ach said:

My biggest problem with him is hes all speed.  Hes slight of frame and isnt going to make contested catches and doesnt run great routes.  Hes either screens or deep bombs.  You run a 4.21 the first couple routes and then you slow down.  When he slows down hes useless so you have to make sure to keep him fresh.  I think hes awesome as a luxury pick, but we arent in the position to make a luxury pick.

Good news is Canales was asked about what Xavier said during the interview today and he said that was a lead in question they asked everyone. 
So it looks like Xavier took that question and he thought he was gonna be drafted by us. 
Doesn’t seem to be the case and hopefully it isn’t at 33 or 39. 
Like you said I too wouldn’t mind Xavier as a luxury pick but that would mean 4th or 5th round. 

[Jaxel]

23 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Completely agree with WR need being blown out of proportion. Many on here are not gonna be too happy when we pass on WR at #33 and #39 come Friday night.  Look at what the team has done in FA prioritizing o-line and I think that continues into the draft. We keep both 2nd rounders and take a C with #33 or #39 

Honestly I'm fine with continuing to build the line, but I still think we need more talent at the WR position, we assumed we were okay last year, and that was abject disaster. 

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

Honestly I'm fine with continuing to build the line, but I still think we need more talent at the WR position, we assumed we were okay last year, and that was abject disaster. 

we need pass catchers that actually fit what Bryce Young is going to do with the ball in an offense that fits him.    and we have glaring holes all over the roster in that regard.  Not just at WR.  

and just about the entire cast around him essentially expires after this season. 

year 1 - new to NFL

year 2 - new O, new OC, new HC

year 3 if things go great - entirely new skill players(but Mingo) most likely if things go well for Bryce

I've never run a NFL team, but that doesn't seem what you should be doing w/ a dude you just drafted #1 overall.