It's about that little birdie time in a few days

[Basbear]

6 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Doesn't help that some people scare potential insiders away by being unnecessarily dickish and combative for no reason.

I always looked at it as take what is said with a grain of salt, but some people get aggro if things aren't 100% right all the time.

I'd do not understand that both verge and zod had a three year run of getting the 1st round pick right, then the first time they missed.......non-stop tard comments about the miss and they totally forgot the past three years. I know its near impossible to guess a 25th pick, but I remember shaq being his guess. Just insane the whole deal. 

[csx]

I'm not at all interested to know ahead who the selection will be. And I assume any info trail gets shut down once it's found out it's being spilled online for someone else's gain.

Not suggesting it's wrong to be interested in it but not me.

Edited April 20 by csx

[Jackie Lee]

5 hours ago, csx said:

I'm not at all interested to know ahead who the selection will be. And I assume any info trail gets shut down once it's found out it's being spilled online for someone else's gain.

Not suggesting it's wrong to be interested in it but not me.

It seems almost impossible to have any insider leak for pick 33, no matter how their board looks rn teams will reach for guys and others will fall on night 1, trades will be offered etc. A trade at 33 could go down to 5 minutes before we're on the clock so no one will know in advance

[rayzor]

13 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Daniel Jeremiah doesn't have Legette in his top 50 players and Dane Brugler has him rated at his 13th WR and a 3rd round pick. Brugler had Mingo rated as a 3rd last year as well 

Teams don't use the media rankings we use, not should they.

Where these draftniks rank players has no bearing on anything.

[mrcompletely11]

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

Teams don't use the media rankings we use, not should they.

Where these draftniks rank players has no bearing on anything.

Its a metric and a lot of those dudes Brugler included do as much if not more then a standard regional nfl scout.  Why would you think a nfl scout is way more knowledgeable then someone thats been around the game for their entire life and has made a livelihood doing it?  And just like scouts that have hits and misses

[bythenbrs]

11 hours ago, Basbear said:

I'd do not understand that both verge and zod had a three year run of getting the 1st round pick right, then the first time they missed.......non-stop tard comments about the miss and they totally forgot the past three years. I know its near impossible to guess a 25th pick, but I remember shaq being his guess. Just insane the whole deal. 

Haven’t seen Verge post in awhile.  Hope we see something between now and the draft.  

[bythenbrs]

13 hours ago, top dawg said:

Well plow her with Mimosas before you ask.

Must… not… comment…

[rayzor]

38 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Its a metric and a lot of those dudes Brugler included do as much if not more then a standard regional nfl scout.  Why would you think a nfl scout is way more knowledgeable then someone thats been around the game for their entire life and has made a livelihood doing it?  And just like scouts that have hits and misses

how do you figure they do more than a regional scout employed by the teams? why would you think that these regional scouts haven't been around the game their whole lives or that they spend less time or do less work than brugler or whoever? these regional scouts aren't volunteering their work. 

teams also are looking specific things and traits that the draftniks may not be taking into consideration that are specific to their teams. draftniks aren't as dialed into specific teams  as much as regional scouts who are tied to the teams. 

regional scouts are just going to be better at evaluating for the specific teams than any of the draftniks...at least they'll know more about what the teams that employ them are looking for more than the draftniks. teams will have a big board that is done by their guys that is specific to what they have deemed important for their teams. 

draftniks just do a broad based big board that isn't specific to any team so they are ranking players and picking for teams based on incomplete information about these teams. it just doesn't make sense for teams to rely on them for anything except to maybe get an idea about where players might fall...but even with that they shouldn't count on that being reliable intel.

teams may notice what draftniks are saying, but they also have their own league sources that they will use.

i think we just put too much stock in draftniks and their rankings.

[WhoKnows]

4 hours ago, rayzor said:

Teams don't use the media rankings we use, not should they.

Where these draftniks rank players has no bearing on anything.

It’s too bad that we didn’t use the media rankings or anything else other than our draft board. We might have actually picked some decent players the past 3 drafts.

[rayzor]

Just now, WhoKnows said:

It’s too bad that we didn’t use the media rankings or anything else other than our draft board. We might have actually picked some decent players the past 3 drafts.

fitt and rhule thought they knew more than anyone else. they tried to be clever and had an angle on things that no one else had. hurney only ever paid attention to who would be there in the first round and just winged it from there.

maybe if we listened to our own scouts we might have had better picks. those guys weren't about to listen to anyone. they were, in essence, speculators and wild guessers.

[WhoKnows]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

fitt and rhule thought they knew more than anyone else. they tried to be clever and had an angle on things that no one else had. hurney only ever paid attention to who would be there in the first round and just winged it from there.

maybe if we listened to our own scouts we might have had better picks. those guys weren't about to listen to anyone. they were, in essence, speculators and wild guessers.

I hate to bring it up, but that’s the same damn thinking that kept Hurney too long and Fitt too long. Hey, X called all the shots so Y hasn’t had his chance to shine.

If we even had 1 good hit late in the draft, I’d say our scouts are worth listening to but our drafting hasn’t been “good” since 2017. We’ve pulled a couple 1sts and a couple average starters, but it’s been woefully bad with 3 different HCs and 2 different GMs. You would think our scouts would have convinced them to pick at least one great find in 6 drafts.

Let’s see how the draft goes, but I’m not optimistic because scouting/GM were all here for the past 3 years.

[rayzor]

6 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

I hate to bring it up, but that’s the same damn thinking that kept Hurney too long and Fitt too long. Hey, X called all the shots so Y hasn’t had his chance to shine.

If we even had 1 good hit late in the draft, I’d say our scouts are worth listening to but our drafting hasn’t been “good” since 2017. We’ve pulled a couple 1sts and a couple average starters, but it’s been woefully bad with 3 different HCs and 2 different GMs. You would think our scouts would have convinced them to pick at least one great find in 6 drafts.

Let’s see how the draft goes, but I’m not optimistic because scouting/GM were all here for the past 3 years.

if the guy calling the shots won't listen to anyone else because he thinks he knows more than anyone else, it's hard to convince him of anything.

from the way it sounds, there wasn't much communication going on between scouting department and coaches until this year. 

they are doing things differently this year. doesn't matter that some of the players are the same because the big dogs at the top calling the shots the last few years aren't there (except maybe tepper and he's being quiet).

that, on it's own, is enough for some optimism. the problem wasn't the scouts. it was the decision makers.

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

how do you figure they do more than a regional scout employed by the teams? why would you think that these regional scouts haven't been around the game their whole lives or that they spend less time or do less work than brugler or whoever? these regional scouts aren't volunteering their work. 

teams also are looking specific things and traits that the draftniks may not be taking into consideration that are specific to their teams. draftniks aren't as dialed into specific teams  as much as regional scouts who are tied to the teams. 

regional scouts are just going to be better at evaluating for the specific teams than any of the draftniks...at least they'll know more about what the teams that employ them are looking for more than the draftniks. teams will have a big board that is done by their guys that is specific to what they have deemed important for their teams. 

draftniks just do a broad based big board that isn't specific to any team so they are ranking players and picking for teams based on incomplete information about these teams. it just doesn't make sense for teams to rely on them for anything except to maybe get an idea about where players might fall...but even with that they shouldn't count on that being reliable intel.

teams may notice what draftniks are saying, but they also have their own league sources that they will use.

i think we just put too much stock in draftniks and their rankings.

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

if the guy calling the shots won't listen to anyone else because he thinks he knows more than anyone else, it's hard to convince him of anything.

from the way it sounds, there wasn't much communication going on between scouting department and coaches until this year. 

they are doing things differently this year. doesn't matter that some of the players are the same because the big dogs at the top calling the shots the last few years aren't there (except maybe tepper and he's being quiet).

that, on it's own, is enough for some optimism. the problem wasn't the scouts. it was the decision makers.