The Offense and its Impact on Bryce Young and the WR(s) we draft

[frankw]

49 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I honestly don't get the "weak arm" point. I wouldn't compare his arm to prime Cam Newton or Josh Allen, but I'd say it's comparable to Drew Brees or Tua. Not elite, but more than good enough. I don't know if he has the lift to throw the ball late on a go-route or a fade going away from him on the other side of the field. But he can complete a first or second option deep route based on arm strength. He wouldn't have won a Heisman playing in the SEC if he couldn't do that. Not as a passing QB. 

Drew Brees and Tua don't belong in the same conversation.

If Tua actually had Brees arm strength the Dolphins would have advanced further in the playoffs.

Tua is the last QB we want to be relegated to comparing our top pick with. Discouraging to say the least.

[MHS831]

4 hours ago, CRA said:

is saying we are going to have a strong running game really any different than Frank Reich claiming we are going to have this creative offense that was being held secret? 

Canales has 1 season to his name.  He had the worst rush attack in the NFL. 

I think that's just a coach saying stuff.  Only really way to have a strong rush attack is to line up under C and play old school football....or have an elite rusher.  I don't see how we will be in position to have a strong rush attack this year.  We have average RBs.  Lining up under C all game until we can't and pounding the rock doesn't jive with Bryce Young or developing the former #1 overall we gave up the farm for. 

I think Canales says the run stuff because our QB was bad last year and he knows we got a LOT of work to do on the pass game. 

You could be right--reading tea leaves here. 

[Navy_football]

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

Drew Brees and Tua don't belong in the same conversation.

If Tua actually had Brees arm strength the Dolphins would have advanced further in the playoffs.

Tua is the last QB we want to be relegated to comparing our top pick with. Discouraging to say the least.

Tua was the #5 pick in the draft. 2nd QB in a draft that included Joe Burrow, Justing Herbert, Jordan Love and Jalen Hurts. Tua had all the tangibles coming out of college. Miami got the crap beat out of him early on and he's just now starting to figure the NFL out. But Tua is no scrub - at least not coming out of college. 

[MHS831]

4 hours ago, rayzor said:

i'll just say this...you're a brave man.

i appreciate the work.

Yeah, I am sure the torch and pitchfork mafia will be coming out of the woodwork (I have not read the thread yet) but if they were better at reading, nobody makes a statement here beyond a comparison to what others have done.  If that triggers personal frustrations that folks cannot deal with, then they are quick to overreact.  I get their pain, however, because it pissed me off a lot last year.  However, I also know that "outside the box" thinking has produced some of the greatest innovations in sports...We used to have straight toed kickers and everybody had a fullback and took snaps under center. 

[frankw]

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

Tua was the #5 pick in the draft. 2nd QB in a draft that included Joe Burrow, Justing Herbert, Jordan Love and Jalen Hurts. Tua had all the tangibles coming out of college. Miami got the crap beat out of him early on and he's just now starting to figure the NFL out. But Tua is no scrub - at least not coming out of college. 

Did you watch their last playoff game? They have lots of offensive talent. Tua struggled to get them the ball. He's apparently reworked his throwing motion as a last ditch attempt to appease the Dolphins. But they are going to make a move for another QB in the not so distant future no doubt.

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Did you watch their last playoff game? They have lots of offensive talent. Tua struggled to get them the ball. He's apparently reworked his throwing motion as a last ditch attempt to appease the Dolphins. But they are going to make a move for another QB in the not so distant future no doubt.

No, I don't think I watched their game. I'll take a look later. So Tyreek had an MVP talk season with a weak armed QB? He's better than I thought. I guess stats don't always tell the story. 

[CPF4LIFE]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

If the gameplan to fix the offense with Bryce as QB is to pass the ball as little as necessary then yeah we're drafting QB next year without a doubt.

LOL...this right here. I mean cot damn, if you have to limit your Qb as much as possible then that means YOU DONT HAVE ONE. Its not rocket science. lol

Edited April 10, 2024 by CPF4LIFE

[MHS831]

I can say that the point here was, at least in part, to gauge the type of WR we may pursue.  None of us can change the QB situation and it is doubtful the Panthers will in 2024.  I can say that when Bryce planted his foot and stepped into the throw, he was money. That rarely happened.

[CPF4LIFE]

2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

No, I don't think I watched their game. I'll take a look later. So Tyreek had an MVP talk season with a weak armed QB? He's better than I thought. I guess stats don't always tell the story. 

He referenced the playoffs tho lol

[Navy_football]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I can say that the point here was, at least in part, to gauge the type of WR we may pursue.  None of us can change the QB situation and it is doubtful the Panthers will in 2024.  I can say that when Bryce planted his foot and stepped into the throw, he was money. That rarely happened.

Bryce's strengths and weaknesses will likely dictate that pick. I don't agree with that approach though. Take the best prospect that will contribute early and often. Particularly that 33rd pick. It should be treated as a late first rounder in terms of contribution. 

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, CPF4LIFE said:

LOL...this right here. I mean cot damn, if you have to limit your Qb as much as possible then YOU DONT HAVE ONE. Its not rocket science. lol

Where did people go from "a strong running game" to "pass the ball as little as necessary?"  That is a great example of someone twisting a point so that you can argue against it.  Did the Saints have a good running game when Brees was there?  Did they attempt to limit throwing?  So yeah, this is correct but responds to something someone else said.  A running game can help the passing game by keeping the DC honest.  If he must worry about gap control, he is less likely to stunt.  If he is worried about the run, he is less likely to blitz--that does not mean you run it all the time to keep your QB from throwing.  Nobody said that.  It means they have to respect the run.  It is part of the balance.  A team that throws the ball 70% of the time would still benefit from a strong running game. 

[frankw]

It still boils down to sustaining drives and every team we face will have 16 games of tape of Bryce Young throwing the ball. When the run doesn't work which eventually it will get shut down Bryce will have to be able to attack every part of the field with his arm or it's going to be a rerun of 2023.

[Navy_football]

Just now, frankw said:

It still boils down to sustaining drives and every team we face will have 16 games of tape of Bryce Young throwing the ball. When the run doesn't work which eventually it will get shut down Bryce will have to be able to attack every part of the field with his arm or it's going to be a rerun of 2023.

Very true. Let's just hope the upgrades at oline and WR help him be able to to do that more effectively. Felt like nothing was easy last year and he started to hesitate more and more. He has to get out of his head and just play ball. 

[Navy_football]

I have been watching some Bucs games, and I do think Canales' run game is better suited for a Chuba than it is for White. Chuba is gonna eat. I hope he is featured over Sanders this season, as he better fits the scheme.