We essentially turned Mike Williams down

[Ship]

14 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

It hurts when someone turns you down. Panthers just saving face. Get better as a team and players will sign with you point blank.

 

Nobody in their right mind thinks we are a better chance at winning over the Jets.

 

If the money is the same are you taking Charlotte NC over NY City?

 

If the money is the same are you taking Bryce Young over Aaron Rodgers?

 

I rest my case. 

Not sure many players have been proud New York Jets in quite a while. You can live in NYC in the offseason if you love it so much. Their offseason buzz and happiness lasted 4 snaps? By the end of the year Rodgers went back to being a clown, alienating guys like Sauce with his antics and me-first attitude. If you read the reports about the Jets at the end of last year, I don't see why any player would want to be there. So yeah, it's perfectly reasonable for a player to not automatically choose the Jets over the Panthers-- or any other team.

[FatChad]

why would you sign someone who stays on the injury report most of the time?  Terrible for morale

[d-dave]

Here's where I am, as an idiot with a keyboard.

1. Mike Williams has a perception of being hurt a lot.  Of being on the injury report weekly and playing through injuries.  While that's not out of the norm in the NFL, let's do some basic division and look at a few things versus how much he got.

Average games per season 12.6

Average receptions per game 3.5

Average yards per game 54.6

TDs per season 4.4

Williams contract from the jets:  1 year UPTO $15 million ($8.3m guaranteed, $6.7 incentives)

When you look at it that way, maybe he was asking too much, and the Jets overpaid.  Maybe the Panthers realized that he's too old, too injured, and not a great gamble.

Compare that to DJ Chark: 15 games, 2.3 receptions, 35 yards, 5 TDs on the year. These are the same averages for Williams' career.

Don't get it twisted, Mike Williams is light-years better than DJ Chark.  But is Mike Williams in 2024 three times better of an investment than a journeyman WR at this point?

And heck, it could also be the team didn't like his medicals.  I don't know.  Just an idiot with a keyboard!

[rayzor]

16 minutes ago, d-dave said:

Here's where I am, as an idiot with a keyboard.

1. Mike Williams has a perception of being hurt a lot.  Of being on the injury report weekly and playing through injuries.  While that's not out of the norm in the NFL, let's do some basic division and look at a few things versus how much he got.

Average games per season 12.6

Average receptions per game 3.5

Average yards per game 54.6

TDs per season 4.4

Williams contract from the jets:  1 year UPTO $15 million ($8.3m guaranteed, $6.7 incentives)

When you look at it that way, maybe he was asking too much, and the Jets overpaid.  Maybe the Panthers realized that he's too old, too injured, and not a great gamble.

Compare that to DJ Chark: 15 games, 2.3 receptions, 35 yards, 5 TDs on the year. These are the same averages for Williams' career.

Don't get it twisted, Mike Williams is light-years better than DJ Chark.  But is Mike Williams in 2024 three times better of an investment than a journeyman WR at this point?

And heck, it could also be the team didn't like his medicals.  I don't know.  Just an idiot with a keyboard!

agreed with all of that. 

with williams, you are getting someone who has the reputation of being one of the toughest receivers out there. what you are getting is a guy who gets hurt a lot and who just isn't all that productive.

what the jets paid for is the reputation. they aren't really paying attention. they are just throwing everything in the fire hoping that they'll get cooking up something good for the year. what's most likely going to happen is they just get burned.

[FatChad]

its feast or famine.  The 2 years prior to his injury he was good.  He has major injury concerns and is coming off a torn acl.  IF he stays healthy and gets on with AR, they could be tough.

[CRA]

I still think if you want to really help Bryce out.....you don't give him a deep jump ball specialist. 

You give him a quick slot WR, you give a him a rec RB, and a solid TE.   Add that to having Johnson on the outside.....and you are starting to actually try to help him succeed. 

[CamWhoaaCam]

1 hour ago, Ship said:

Not sure many players have been proud New York Jets in quite a while. You can live in NYC in the offseason if you love it so much. Their offseason buzz and happiness lasted 4 snaps? By the end of the year Rodgers went back to being a clown, alienating guys like Sauce with his antics and me-first attitude. If you read the reports about the Jets at the end of last year, I don't see why any player would want to be there. So yeah, it's perfectly reasonable for a player to not automatically choose the Jets over the Panthers-- or any other team.

Jets aren't perfect, but they are still a better option than us.

 

That was my point.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 hours ago, countryboi said:

spending 10-15 million on an injury prone 30 year old receiver is a risky plan. I cant knock anyone for turning that down

It's a move you consider if you think you're a Mike Williams away from competing for a SB. We clearly aren't that.

[The Huddler]

man he would have looked awesome in a Panthers sweat suit on the sideline

 

damn  

[rayzor]

45 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's a move you consider if you think you're a Mike Williams away from competing for a SB. We clearly aren't that.

jets being that is a hard sell as well. it's clear that's what they want to be and think they are, though.

i think they are done trying to build a long term team. they want just one year where they don't suck.  they have had only 1 winning season since their last playoff appearance in 2010. 

of all the teams to be jealous of, they aren't one of them.

[rayzor]

46 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

man he would have looked awesome in a Panthers sweat suit on the sideline

 

damn  

just imagine him riding that stationary bike through all of training camp. what a sight that would have been!

[kungfoodude]

17 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

It hurts when someone turns you down. Panthers just saving face. Get better as a team and players will sign with you point blank.

 

Nobody in their right mind thinks we are a better chance at winning over the Jets.

 

If the money is the same are you taking Charlotte NC over NY City?

 

If the money is the same are you taking Bryce Young over Aaron Rodgers?

 

I rest my case. 

You do realize that not every player views the world the way you do, right?

These are ultimately business decisions. Otherwise, why on earth would anyone want to go to Green Bay, Wisconsin or Jacksonville, FL?

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, rayzor said:

just imagine him riding that stationary bike through all of training camp. what a sight that would have been!

I personally was looking forward to the Clemson/U of SC battles between Mike Williams and Jaycee Horn.  They probably would have to live stream their Madden game vs each other because we would have never seen it play out on a field in camp. 

[shaqattaq]

2 hours ago, d-dave said:

Here's where I am, as an idiot with a keyboard.

1. Mike Williams has a perception of being hurt a lot.  Of being on the injury report weekly and playing through injuries.  While that's not out of the norm in the NFL, let's do some basic division and look at a few things versus how much he got.

Average games per season 12.6

Average receptions per game 3.5

Average yards per game 54.6

TDs per season 4.4

Williams contract from the jets:  1 year UPTO $15 million ($8.3m guaranteed, $6.7 incentives)

When you look at it that way, maybe he was asking too much, and the Jets overpaid.  Maybe the Panthers realized that he's too old, too injured, and not a great gamble.

Compare that to DJ Chark: 15 games, 2.3 receptions, 35 yards, 5 TDs on the year. These are the same averages for Williams' career.

Don't get it twisted, Mike Williams is light-years better than DJ Chark.  But is Mike Williams in 2024 three times better of an investment than a journeyman WR at this point?

And heck, it could also be the team didn't like his medicals.  I don't know.  Just an idiot with a keyboard!