Tebow's pre-Wonderlic prayer request falls flat

[CharlotteBeer.com]

If the teachings of the people who wrote the Bible are more important to you than advancements in Science and Mathematics, you should contract cancer and see how long prayer alone gets you in comparison to medical treatment...

Religion staves off knowledge seekers with presented absolution or "WORD OF GOD"...

Science, Mathematics, and other fundamentals of true philosophy are the complete opposite, and encourage people to learn things on their own...

If you can accept the Bible as literal truth and give it profound influence on human progress, you are an idiot... If anything it has promoted the blind acceptance of anything and everything, and caused most of humanity to be robots and slaves...

SLJ, now you're just being as narrow-minded as the people you're calling idiots. No one here is saying prayer is going to save them from cancer. You act as if religion and science can't be reconciled -- as if they are trying to answer the same questions.

...and as far as the failings of Science... Please direct me to anywhere where I have stated that Science is imperfect or the absolute law... The difference in Science and religion, which you fail miserably at understanding apparently, is that Science doesn't claim to have all the answers, while religion most certainly does... illogical as they may be...

I've said it before in this thread... I don't know, and you don't either...

Again, why are you trying to put religion and science at odds with each other, as if they're different answers to the same question? Would you look to a biology textbook for questions about morality?

But that is exactly my point. I haven't assumed the arrogance of knowing to the point that it is my responsibility to "wake people the fug up". The obvious insinuation that you have made (for anyone with eyes to see) is that people that have their lives guided by religion/faith are contrary to those that put their daily mores in the maxims of science.

Exactly.

[Samuel L. Jackson]

SLJ, now you're just being as narrow-minded as the people you're calling idiots. No one here is saying prayer is going to save them from cancer. You act as if religion and science can't be reconciled -- as if they are trying to answer the same questions.

Again, why are you trying to put religion and science at odds with each other, as if they're different answers to the same question? Would you look to a biology textbook for questions about morality?

To be fair, I was more directly responding to the poster who tried to make a cut and run against Science being as faulty as religion... My argument, as muddled as I made it, is exactly what you pointed out... Religion and Science can coexist in SOME people's eyes... and I didn't really mean that religious people would pray in the face of something like cancer... It was a bad metaphor, honestly...

[CharlotteBeer.com]

Not only that, but religion has been a driving factor to some of the worst events in human history...

It's not religion -- it's people's manipulation of the religion and the way people use religion. Science has never led to some of the worst events in human history, right?

Therefore, I feel it is my duty to guide people down the paths that I myself have traveled, and steer them away from primitive thought and blind faith.

Sounds pretty Christ-like, to me. Your message is different, but you feel your belief system is superior and that it is your duty to guide the poor lost sheep.

[Samuel L. Jackson]

As far as the "assuming arrogance" point you agreed with Beaux Berry, I'm not just speaking for myself, because my posts in this thread have had a lot of agreement... be it publicly or privately...

Again, I never said ANYWHERE that Science has all the answers either, and I pretty much agree that it may very well never... But true scientists never claim to have them all, unlike the religious fundamentalists, as I stated earlier...

I'm not lumping all "religious" people into the same category, because there are some genuinely good religious people out there... But when the word Science is thrown into the face of a philosophical argument, it is automatically deemed all-encompassing of non-believers...

scpanther22's signature is an absurd quote... bottom line... and for anyone to actually give that quote any sort of respect is totally unacceptable...

[PantherBrew]

SLJ,

I find it amazing that you have a "duty" to enlighten people of a certain faith, but if those people attempt to "enlighten" you, then they are morons for having a belief unlike yours.

You keep building straw man arguments.

You sound as narrow minded as the people you judge.

I proclaim myself a Christian, however, I personally think what The Golden Calf of Bristol did was stupid. He has no right to ask those people to pray with him. It is not the place for it.

It is almost laughable that you are this hypocritical.

Not only that, but religion has been a driving factor to some of the worst events in human history...

It could be argued that religion has been the driving factor of preventing mankinds demise.

But, I urge you to "pratice what you preach". If people what to beleive in God, Santa Claus, Science, Bear Grylls, or they want to believe that Bill Cosby is the savior. Let them.

But you, nor I are in any place to tell people what to believe or not to believe.

It's not that one should believe things or shouldn't. It's they have the Right too, and shouldn't be judged for it.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

I have signatures disabled, so I can't really comment on that.

So what we're really talking about here is religious people who give no credence to science? I really think, in this day and age, those people are few and far between. The biggest example of those two being at odds would be a cosmological account of the Earth's creation -- but I think most religious people "believe in" science and the two are not as contradictory as you think.

Of course, there's also the whole evolution thing, but maybe we shouldn't go there today.

[PantherBrew]

Of course, there's also the whole evolution thing, but maybe we shouldn't go there today.

I have a belief that evolution is a mechanism created by God.

[The Saltman]

I have a belief that evolution is a mechanism created by God.

so do i...and before slj writes a paragraph to prove me wrong im :leaving:

[Samuel L. Jackson]

I can assure you I am very open minded... It is because of that fact that I am where I am at in my belief system today...

I argue against religion because it has less proven validity than stuff like science...

But, if you want to continue to believe the world is flat when in fact it has been proven to be round, then that is still your choice and right... Don't shoot the jester for making fun of your ignorance...

If you can show me proof or validity of anything contained within the Bible, aside from specific places existing (because stories can be written around these (see any work of fiction that is based in a real world place)), I'll stop with the harshness of my diatribes...

Until then, you can shut the fug up too!

LOL I know that last line was harsh, and I still love all of you, but I'm just waiting on one of you to tell me to do the same...

[CharlotteBeer.com]

I have a belief that evolution is a mechanism created by God.

I said I wouldn't get into evolution (because you know how incendiary a topic it is), but I think about that all of the time.

I mean, if you side with the "divine watchmaker" argument -- that all beings are so perfectly designed that they must be manufacturered by an intelligent creator -- then you would have to also submit this this intelligent creator would be capable of setting into motion evolution.

[Samuel L. Jackson]

You all post way to fast for me... hahahahaha

[Samuel L. Jackson]

Evolution is fact... See transitional species...

Has this thread been moved to the Tinderbox yet? lol... I haven't checked...

[scpanther22]

I have signatures disabled, so I can't really comment on that. So what we're really talking about here is religious people who give no credence to science? I really think, in this day and age, those people are few and far between. The biggest example of those two being at odds would be a cosmological account of the Earth's creation -- but I think most religious people "believe in" science and the two are not as contradictory as you think.

Of course, there's also the whole evolution thing, but maybe we shouldn't go there today.

This is my sig..I dont see anything wrong with it..But thats not required for argument here.lol:rolleyes5:

Socrates taught for 40 years, Plato for 50, Aristotle for 40, and Jesus for only 3. Yet the influence of Christ's 3-year ministry infinitely transcends the impact left by the combined 130 years of teaching from these men who were among the greatest philosophers of all antiquity-unknown

[PantherBrew]

If you can show me proof or validity of anything contained within the Bible, aside from specific places existing (because stories can be written around these (see any work of fiction that is based in a real world place)), I'll stop with the harshness of my diatribes...

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Ah, hah!

But, can you disprove anything written in the Bible. :hand:

How does that taste Jimmy Neutron the science kid?

I, for one, believe that most of the Bible is figuarative. Intended to teach lessons about how to live life. Many of the fundamentalist that you lump all Christians with would be Suicide bombers in they were born in Afghanistan.