BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Fwiw, the article doesn't say what Morgan wanted to do.  It just says he didn't dissent/disagree with his boss.  Those are two different things and we have no if Morgan dissented in private or what the relationship was between Morgan and Fitterer. The one who did dissent was fired, so maybe Morgan knew better than to air his dissent.  

lol

[frankw]

8 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Healthy just strings out a giant cap waste. That was true on his 5th year option money but not at what they are paying.

CMC got banged up before this in SF too. It's not like he went there, was 100% healthy and just now broke down. They paid him because he is worth it when he is on the field enough. Especially for a contender with a game managing QB on a rookie deal. The crying needs to be put to rest. Moore was a worse loss than CMC.

I'm just saying between the two obviously McCaffrey is infinitely more talented but he also has a knack for getting paid big and then getting injured and taking off to live the high life while his team is left to pick up the pieces.

I would agree Moore was the most egregious of the three given what we traded and received in return and he has the highest upside given his age and health status. But even he's finding out what it's like to play in Chicago. Neither of the three were an insurmountable loss to the team. That's the truth. All that has ever mattered is that we build forward with some level of competence and develop new talent. Hopefully that's happening.

[Waldo]

12 minutes ago, frankw said:

I'm just saying between the two obviously McCaffrey is infinitely more talented but he also has a knack for getting paid big and then getting injured and taking off to live the high life while his team is left to pick up the pieces.

I would agree Moore was the most egregious of the three given what we traded and received in return and he has the highest upside given his age and health status. But even he's finding out what it's like to play in Chicago. Neither of the three were an insurmountable loss to the team. That's the truth. All that has ever mattered is that we build forward with some level of competence and develop new talent. Hopefully that's happening.

CMC was always injury prone from early on. He is a high talent and high usage guy, freak level. He is paid because of that even though he is often injured at some level. I just don't like the take he gets paid and then injured. He was always getting injured, even on his rookie deal. SF knew what they signed up for and was in the playoffs. We had the same deal but were often out of the hunt early anyways. Just a lot of bad takes about that IMO.

The funny thing about Moore to me is he was also the one most of the fan base had the least issue with moving.

Edited 7 hours ago by Waldo

[frankw]

2 hours ago, Waldo said:

CMC was always injury prone from early on. He is a high talent and high usage guy, freak level. He is paid because of that even though he is often injured at some level. I just don't like the take he gets paid and then injured. He was always getting injured, even on his rookie deal. SF knew what they signed up for and was in the playoffs. We had the same deal but were often out of the hunt early anyways. Just a lot of bad takes about that IMO.

The funny thing about Moore to me is he was also the one most of the fan base had the least issue with moving.

Yeah the issue has always been for you to maximize him he has to be the focal point and with that his touch rate is absurdly high which means you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop. All of this is why it's important to stop thinking huge investment in running back is necessary to compete. You start with the OL and QB then go from there. With CMC we had no OL and no QB. Definition of cart before the horse. Just comically mismanaged.

Yeah it's funny how much people went out of their way to diminish Moore despite what he had to work with here but they learned the hard way didn't they? Jokes on them.

All I can do is hope the powers that be here are learning because all they have to do is look around the league at what successful teams are doing. Keep investing in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Develop your QB's. Draft WR and RB instead of overpaying for the position. Fundamentally this really is not that difficult. The difficult part is consistently drafting well. I think the duo of Morgan and Canales has potential for staying power kind of like the pair of Beane and McDermott in Buffalo. We just need Tepper and his wife to let them do their jobs.

[strato]

I never understood why you draft a rookie QB and ship out the best WR on your team signed to a very affordable deal, comparatively anyway.

One of the ten football commandments is a running game and defense are necessary to their development but a reliable target at WR has to be one too. 

[Johnstonny]

Burns got his sac....he sucks...he'll be on the corner in the hood some day, scratching the back of his neck, saying, yea man I was in the NFL...

[outlaw4]

Not going to lie: I all but forgot Burns was with the Giants. Maybe it will click at some point, but deal not looking the best for the Giants right now. 

4 hours ago, Waldo said:

CMC was always injury prone from early on. He is a high talent and high usage guy, freak level. He is paid because of that even though he is often injured at some level. I just don't like the take he gets paid and then injured. He was always getting injured, even on his rookie deal. SF knew what they signed up for and was in the playoffs. We had the same deal but were often out of the hunt early anyways. Just a lot of bad takes about that IMO.

The funny thing about Moore to me is he was also the one most of the fan base had the least issue with moving.

I think part of the CMC injury narrative was strengthened by the fact that he stayed relatively healthy his first year with the 49ers, implying he was simply making business decisions with us. Pretty much debunked right now. CMC is the tragedy of a player that has HOF talent but can't stay on the field. 

[Waldo]

7 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

Not going to lie: I all but forgot Burns was with the Giants. Maybe it will click at some point, but deal not looking the best for the Giants right now. 

I think part of the CMC injury narrative was strengthened by the fact that he stayed relatively healthy his first year with the 49ers, implying he was simply making business decisions with us. Pretty much debunked right now. CMC is the tragedy of a player that has HOF talent but can't stay on the field. 

That and lots of anger over how everything went down here at that time. Rhule's 3rd year and those offenses even leaning on CMC completely were really bad. They also held him out because it was so bad and they knew he was keeping their jobs for him. I believe his first year with the 49ers he was coming off 2 years of heavy rest and they used him very well but he still left 2 games (?) early and was dealing with some stuff that didn't prevent him from playing fully. 

Some people just had an axe to grind with him and still pops up once in a while. Of all the problems at that time CMC was a freaking blip on any negatives compared to so many other issues. 

[strato]

I remember the whole 'can't run between the tackles' thing and the subsequent focus on proving people wrong. 

He is kind of a poster boy for overpaying over drafting running backs. To me. I don't dislike him at all but he is a short shelf life player when being used a certain way. And if they don't use that, they are leaving something on the table which, after paying so much is difficult to do. 

He has the receiving ability and I'd have just gotten a D'onta Foreman and let him handle the grunt work and feature CMC on all else, if (I) insist on having him.

I am not a personal fan of Kamara but he was a third round pick and has had a real nice career. Better production than CMC at the beginning too.  

Edited 1 hour ago by strato

[kungfoodude]

7 hours ago, Waldo said:

Ohh and CMC is on IR getting second opinions so it doesn't sound great. He was hurt here and he got banged up there. His team is also tied with us right now with him out all year. He is a stud but the money to have tied up in him and not have him isn't a only positives thing. Some of those takes about him here are not ageing well even if they did have a good window with him. 

It was inevitable he got injured again. That doesn't magically change when you get older.

All the people simping after CMC were way less Panther fans than CMC fans.

Once again, don't pay big money to a RB. This is the same for CMC or Miles Sanders.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, outlaw4 said:

Not going to lie: I all but forgot Burns was with the Giants. Maybe it will click at some point, but deal not looking the best for the Giants right now. 

I think part of the CMC injury narrative was strengthened by the fact that he stayed relatively healthy his first year with the 49ers, implying he was simply making business decisions with us. Pretty much debunked right now. CMC is the tragedy of a player that has HOF talent but can't stay on the field. 

His being banged up is not an outlier. More RB's are like that than not. The problem is that people assume Frank Gore or Adrian Peterson is the norm. Those are outliers.

My God, Barkley or even a guy like Ekeler have got banged up a bunch over the last three years too.

This is the problem. This is fuging why you don't spend this fuging money on a fuging RB.

[Smitty will punch you]

2 hours ago, Johnstonny said:

Burns got his sac....he sucks...he'll be on the corner in the hood some day, scratching the back of his neck, saying, yea man I was in the NFL...

Wait what? 
 

 

how old are you?