Brian Burns Franchise Tagged

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, Pazhoosier89 said:

You want him to walk for nothing? That is on Fitterer for turning down those trade offers. Morgan is in a no win situation here.

That was inevitable the second Fitterer turned down that trade. This team is not getting anything close to 1 first much less 2 and the other team paying him a massive contract.  It's not going to happen.  They will either overpay him or cut him. That the only 2 options left.

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Why is this an important season? We barely got 2 wins last year. We aren’t fixing this team in one draft and FA. If we try to do that in one season we are basically repeating the last 6 years of futility. This is an evaluation year to see what pieces we have that are worth long term (Iky, Horn, Mingo and Young and the 2024 draft). Anybody not long term should be marketed if we can get something for them.

Also, FA is not where you add talent to a rebuilding team so the cap space shouldn’t be a concern. FA is where you should be adding the last pieces to the puzzle. We haven’t even unboxed the puzzle yet. If we are doing tons of restructuring so we can spend money now, we’ll be on a new coach and GM in a couple seasons. We need two successful drafts, before we worry about cap space and we are already missing 2 of our 4 top picks so we have to nail the drafts like the Rams did last year with no 1st.

I disagree about FA. I see it much more than that. Sure, you want to mainly build through the draft, but if you can pick a piece up in free agency with potential upside, you do it. Every team is a puzzle. You use all your available tools to build your team. Frankie Luvu is a great example of a player that you pick up, develop, and hopefully keep for the long term. 

[Tr3ach]

17 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

This tells me that nothing has changed with this team. I do not want to hear Dan Morgan mention the word Dawg again. He's full of poo.

Its the non exclusive tag.  I dont know why people are jumping to say that means hes probably staying.  I get that tag and trades arent especially common but the media doesnt seem to really know anything which is a positive sign i think.  Three days ago they were talking about how they were working out a long term deal and the literal next day they were saying there werent going to be any more long term talk.  Regardless of what the media say it seems fairly clear that the #1 goal is to try to trade him for a good return, that seems the priority over long term deal now I would guess.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Tr3ach said:

Its the non exclusive tag.  I dont know why people are jumping to say that means hes probably staying.  I get that tag and trades arent especially common but the media doesnt seem to really know anything which is a positive sign i think.  Three days ago they were talking about how they were working out a long term deal and the literal next day they were saying there werent going to be any more long term talk.  Regardless of what the media say it seems fairly clear that the #1 goal is to try to trade him for a good return, that seems the priority over long term deal now I would guess.

We will see. I'm not confident that they really want to trade him. 

[frankw]

I'm just glad that part is over with.

Now work out a new contract or get what you can for him in a trade. Preference is to get the deal done I'm over squabbling about the declined trade offer from the Rams. Spilt milk is spilt milk.

[TheSpecialJuan]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

We will see. I'm not confident that they really want to trade him. 

We’re keeping him

https://x.com/panthernationpc/status/1765045779943796921?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

https://x.com/panthersontap/status/1765045218682777967?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

[CamWhoaaCam]

I swear if we offered him 27mil a year and he's only holding out for a few extra mil I'm gonna lose a lot of respect from Burns.

 

Like dude you should take that 27mil a year and not think twice!

[Jon Snow]

Just now, TheSpecialJuan said:

We’re keeping him

https://x.com/panthernationpc/status/1765045779943796921?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

https://x.com/panthersontap/status/1765045218682777967?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

See you guys in 2026 when they hire a new coach and GM to "clean up the mess"....again. 

[Tr3ach]

15 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I hope I am too. But everything I'm hearing coming out in the press seems to indicate that the team seriously wants to keep him. 

Hopefully not.  Hopefully they see it as the more it looks like they want to keep him the more they might could get from other teams, but hopefully thats not just wishful thinking.

[MHS831]

I do not like the "two first round picks" compensation--that means a team like the Commanders, for example.  Their first rounder is 2600 points in trade value + next year's first, which, for example, could be around 1500 if they improve.  Therefore, Burns costs them 4100 points in draft trade value.

Detroit was interested in Burns at one point, and they have the 29th overall pick and seek to make a deep playoff run next season.  That means they would have to offer 640 points.  If they stay at #29 in 2024, in this example, they would have to spend 1280 points for Burns in draft capital vs. the Commanders who would have to spend over 4000 points for the same player.

Having said that, 1280 points for Detroit is the equivalent of ONE 10th / 11th overall first round pick.  That may seem to be a good value for the Lions. 

Edited March 5 by MHS831

[Tr3ach]

6 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

We’re keeping him

https://x.com/panthernationpc/status/1765045779943796921?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

https://x.com/panthersontap/status/1765045218682777967?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

You can trade him for less than 2 firsts if teams agree to it.  It is not a requirement. 

[Stingray3030]

Look yall - some need to calm down.  This is exactly what a good GM should do given the current situation.  Burns is pushing for $30-33M a year, the Panthers want to pay less.  If they let him go they want to maximize the return for a valuable commodity.  This is exactly the right play because:

If he finds a team that wants to sign him we get 2 first round picks.  Or we negotiate a little lower return.

If no one wants to give him the $$ he finally understands his real value and we sign him long term for a reasonable contract instead of overpaying.

If we release him we get no more than a 3rd round compensatory for him

If we give him the $30+ a year we hinder our ability to be truly competitive for another 3 years until we can fix the bad contracts we have lingering.

And for the record - Burns is NOT a dawg like Morgan has said.  Being good is not the definition.  He may have been in the past but clearly 2 years of getting tossed around by the previous GM has taken its toll.  None of this is the wrong move.....yet.

[UNCrules2187]

I think 5 years, $27m per is fair value, if not a slight overpay. Burns can negotiate with other teams under this tag, so let's see what the rest of the league is willing to pay him...

[WUnderhill]

34 minutes ago, Greatman77 said:

Glad we aren't trading one of our best players (again).

8 sacks last season. Averaging just 9 sacks/season for what should have been some of the most productive years of his career. And sucks against the run. Pass rushing specialist that has only hit double digit sacks once. He is so overvalued on the huddle.