Yasinskas thinks one "starter" needed at DT

[rayzor]

I agree WR is definitely the biggest need. But I would rather take the BPA at a position of need (WR, KR, DT, DE, LB, QB) instead of reaching for the best WR available because we are desperate.

yep.

[mick eye]

:banghead: Really are yall so hardheaded and stubborn that you think DE, QB, DT, CB, S, or OLB are positions that are more important than a WR. Seriously, we have no talent other than Jarrett and Smith at WR. We have young talent and depth on the rest of the roster.

Taking a QB with a fairly high pick basically will undermine Moore's confidence and create a QB controversy. About the last thing we need.

Taking a DE with the 2nd is a luxury, when we have 3 solid guys. We have invested 3 picks on the interior Dline and brought in a FA. I have explained the top heaviness of this draft till i am blue in the face. :frown5:

Our secondary is stocked also with Capt, Marshall, Gamble, Martin, Godfrey and Harris. I could see bringing in a SS to take over Teal's assignments if we can not reach an agreement. Or taking a flyer on a late round CB if Wesley is not retained. But a 2nd or 3rd? We don't need a starter. We have those.

Having two 3rd round linebackers competing for one spot is a position many NFL teams envy. Think about it the Lions just picked up our throw away.

About the only position that i would categorize as desperately needing a influx of youth is WR. I can not understand how you can say "our biggest need is a better return game and a game changer across from Smith, BUT if a OLB, DE or DT i like is there we should take him instead."

[mountainpantherfan]

Most of you guys are kidding yourself if you think that you can find a first year starter in the 2nd round on. 1st rounders aren't always a set starter year one. Some 2nd plus guys so start year but its the exception not the rule.

If the Panthers really want a starter that isn't on the roster it will come viia FA or a trade.

[mick eye]

YEP, they are kidding themselves. People have unreasonable expectations for a the 2nd and 3rd round. There are those that think a DT there will be much better than what we have on roster. My reasonable expectation is that we can take a WR with the ability to return kicks and provide a reliable 2nd option (if we are really lucky) or light a fire under Jarrett's butt so that he becomes the 2nd and the newly drafted kid falls in line as the 3rd option. AND my other reasonable expectation is that a 3rd round DE can be developed along with Brown for a pair of pass rush specialists. From there it's all gravy.

[PantherBob]

:banghead: Really are yall so hardheaded and stubborn that you think DE, QB, DT, CB, S, or OLB are positions that are more important than a WR. Seriously, we have no talent other than Jarrett and Smith at WR. We have young talent and depth on the rest of the roster.

Taking a QB with a fairly high pick basically will undermine Moore's confidence and create a QB controversy. About the last thing we need.

Taking a DE with the 2nd is a luxury, when we have 3 solid guys. We have invested 3 picks on the interior Dline and brought in a FA. I have explained the top heaviness of this draft till i am blue in the face. :frown5:

Our secondary is stocked also with Capt, Marshall, Gamble, Martin, Godfrey and Harris. I could see bringing in a SS to take over Teal's assignments if we can not reach an agreement. Or taking a flyer on a late round CB if Wesley is not retained. But a 2nd or 3rd? We don't need a starter. We have those.

Having two 3rd round linebackers competing for one spot is a position many NFL teams envy. Think about it the Lions just picked up our throw away.

About the only position that i would categorize as desperately needing a influx of youth is WR. I can not understand how you can say "our biggest need is a better return game and a game changer across from Smith, BUT if a OLB, DE or DT i like is there we should take him instead."

I already acknowledged WR was our biggest need. But you cant just reach for the best possible WR available in the 2nd round because its the biggest need. Reaching out of need is one of the dumbest things you could do in the draft. If the best player available is at ANY positions of need then you take him PERIOD wether its a DT, DE, LB, QB etc.. We have too many holes to fill and not enough picks to fill them. This team is pretty much rebuilding and its going to take at least 2 drafts to fill all these holes. May as well take the best players available this year and fill in the rest of the holes in next years draft insteading of wasting a 2nd round pick on a 3rd round talent out of need.

[rayzor]

you focus only on one position and you stand the very real risk of overreaching for a player. take the BPA. limit it to a few positions of need but take the very best prospect from among those positions. this is the tactic they have used for years. it is the right one.

[mick eye]

WOW, you are one of those. You have no faith. Rebuilding? Holes? We are a very complete team.

We have a young "franchise" QB at a low low price.

We have two top 10 runningbacks.

We have a legit number 1 WR.

We have a deep and effective linebacker corp.

We have a underrated secondary.

We have a young Dline that is well coached.

These holes you see are only in your mind. Like i explained to someone else Dlineman are gonna go fast and furious. I will state now that we do not need a DT or DE in the 2nd. Reason being is we have decent rotation and depth. OLB is the same way. The only area where we lack a lot of talent is Kick Returns and Wide Receiver. I can not convince you that the sky is not falling, that we have invested picks and effort into the young backups and that they are READY.

[rayzor]

lol.

switch to decaf.

[PantherBob]

A complete team? Not even close. Yes we are rebuilding. Thats not being negative thats just a fact.

We have a defensive line filled with role players and guys with little to no starting experience. Is there potential? Sure, but its still a HUGE question mark well coached or not.

Franchise QB? Hold your horses there cowboy. I like Moore too but its way too premature to call him that. He hasnt even started more than 5 games in a sea son yet. Either way we need another QB that can challenge him and be able to start if needed to.

We lost a starting LB and his backup. The quality debth is no longer there. Neither Connor or Anderson are SLBs. This is definitely a position of concern.

Yes we have a 1 WR. But we have no 2, 3, and 4. Plus we need a KR.

Yes we have lots of holes. This is not anything close to a complete team.

[mick eye]

Ok but the DLine is filled at least right. And although Matt Moore is not a franchise QB yet he is the closest we have as of right now. I hardly see how adding a 2nd or 3rd round QB can not undermine Moore. The team got behind him last year the fans got behind him last year (at least most of us did) and that is the most important thing. A QB controversy is the last thing a young developing QB needs. People seem to over estimate the value of Diggs and Johnson. At the same time giving Connor and Anderson no credit. We will be fine on the Strong side. If we are real worried we could trade for Clint Ingram using Connor or Anderson. I don't see the need.

Lastly, like so many others you admit our WR cupboard is bare yet we should take backups or upgrades at positions where holes are imaginary.

[PantherBob]

No the dline is not filled because there are no clear cut starters yet. Bringing in another QB doesnt create contreversy. Its creating competition and providing much needed debth in case things dont work out with moore or in case he is injured. I like Moore but you are jumping the gun and ready to declare him Peyton manning. If he's really as good as we all think he can be then there should be no reason for him to feel threatened by a draft pick. Competition can only be a good thing.

Funny, because the players themselves have called Diggs the most underrated on the team. If anything he was undervalued. Connor is a MLB and Anderson is a WLB. Neither have ever played SLB. It has nothing to do with not giving them credit. Connor and Anderson get tons of credit from people. Its just a matter of them playing out of position.

Yes, WR is the biggest need. But reaching for one could be a catastrophic move just like when they reached for Eric Shelton and Atiyah Ellison because they were area of needs. Sorry that you cant see how real those other holes really are. Thankfully you're not in a position to piss away our draft picks where you would probably reach for 3rd round talent in the 2nd round.

[SorthNarolina]

A complete team? Not even close. Yes we are rebuilding. Thats not being negative thats just a fact.

We have a defensive line filled with role players and guys with little to no starting experience. Is there potential? Sure, but its still a HUGE question mark well coached or not.

Franchise QB? Hold your horses there cowboy. I like Moore too but its way too premature to call him that. He hasnt even started more than 5 games in a sea son yet. Either way we need another QB that can challenge him and be able to start if needed to.

We lost a starting LB and his backup. The quality debth is no longer there. Neither Connor or Anderson are SLBs. This is definitely a position of concern.

Yes we have a 1 WR. But we have no 2, 3, and 4. Plus we need a KR.

Yes we have lots of holes. This is not anything close to a complete team.

connor and anderson are better than landon johnson. They may possibly be better than diggs. It remains to be seen. If connor gets bigger, faster, and stronger like he says he wants to been they he might actually be good instead of "solid".

[PantherBob]

I agree they are both better than Johnson. Anderson played very well at weakside last year for TD. When he filled in for Morgan a few years ago he wasnt so great. Dont know how he would do playing strongside. Connor is still an unknown at this point. I loved the pick 2 years ago but he is a MLB where we are obviously set. Right now we have two guys competing for a spot where they would be out of position.

[SorthNarolina]

I agree they are both better than Johnson. Anderson played very well at weakside last year for TD. When he filled in for Morgan a few years ago he wasnt so great. Dont know how he would do playing strongside. Connor is still an unknown at this point. I loved the pick 2 years ago but he is a MLB where we are obviously set. Right now we have two guys competing for a spot where they would be out of position.

yeah that's why I want draft somebody but I won't freak if we don't. Last time we've truly had 3 great LB's at all positions was 2002. That was a great year for Defense.

I don't really think what Anderson did a few years ago is THAT relevant considering he was probably still learning.

The draft is thin though for an ideal SLB. Most of the top LB's are rush linebackers. Mixed in are WLBs. The few that could play SLB are out of reach. A.J. Edds is ideal for the spot but he's not guranteed to make an impact. I'd like him for ST.