Yasinskas thinks one "starter" needed at DT

[ncbobcat]

I see a run on DT's because it is a very strong class. McCoy and Suh at the top, teams switching to 3-4's or teams with aging NT's will have Cody, Cam, and Williams highly valued and coveted. 4-3 teams that are becoming increasingly rare will compete for DT's while 3-4 teams will eye guys like Tyson and Odrick to play DE. So yeah i think their will be more DT/DE drafted early than skill positions. I only see Tate and Dez going in the first. That leaves alot of talent in the second.

I agree it's a strong year at DT and several will go in the first, but not all the starting quality guys. I think Cam will still be there in the second and Cody may be for weight concerns. If any of the top 3-8 DTs are left (obviously closer to the 8th guy) I say we go DT.

We do agree that Golden and Dez will probably be the only one's gone in the first. So yeah, there will be more WRs available, but most of those next 3 or 4 guys guys grade out similally. Also, I don't think there will be a run on WRs in the second, some selected yes, but not more than three still leaving us plenty of options in the third while if we pass up DT in the second, starting calibre guys will ALL be gone by round three.

Again, it depends how the draft shakes out. IF and this is a BIG IF, all guys that are potential starters for DT are gone by our pick in round two... we should go WR.

[Sword]

Pat Y also thinks Deangelo Williams is a RFA..just look at his recent article..

[mick eye]

NcBobcat you are confusing. You say we need a starter at DT then you also admit that the chances of a legit number 2 on the roster already are slim. We can not have it both ways. I feel our need for a WR/KR trumps Yasinskas and some fans lack of faith in our young interior line. I think bringing in competition for Dwayne Jarrett is a better idea. I really think Jarrett would be better as a 3rd option.

[carolinanimal]

i think what he is saying is that it may be harder for a wr to come in and make a impact more than it would a good dt. also that we could go to the 3rd and get wr in a very good skillset same as we would the second.

[mick eye]

Well if that is what he is saying i respectfully disagree. I would love to have a chance to have the Offensive Rookie of the Year on our team. Let's just say both the DT and a WR/KR have good season's. The WR having a good year would result in less double teams for Smith, allowing Moore to spread the ball and be comfortable, and give us better field position on a regular basis. A DT being all world is not gonna give Smith a partner in crime, he is not gonna help Moore other than giving him more opportunities, it will help our defense but not much else.

[mick eye]

Rookie Wide Outs that do come in and contribute are very helpful. Eddie Royal, Desean Jackson, Hakeem Nicks, Jeremy Maclin, Kenny Britt, and Mike Wallace had very good rookie years. Aside from rookie RB's, WR's are the biggest upside you can draft.

[chbright]

Now you tell me where the value lies.

DT. not close. price is a UT only and likely sliding because of it. if he makes it past the colts in round 1, we must get up there for him like we did for brown. brown fit the meeks/tampa 2 style of quick attacking DEs. price fits perfectly into a tampa 2 style as a UT or even NT in a meeks/indy system or tampa 2.

if we stay put, houston is again a great fit for the tampa 2/ meeks style that we are shifting towards with the trade of jenks, trading for brown (an undersized pass rusher), and the release of kemo (classic UT for a traditional 4-3 scheme which is why wash wanted him beside haynesworth). houston was the most impressive texas player in the championship game. better than kindle by a lot. his speed and stregth combo was astounding in that game and i really wanted him after that game, before he lit it up at the combine.

Cam Thomas is a perfect NT and lit up everyone at the senior bowl and impressed at the combine. he would be a great anchor if we were running the 02-06 defense with stout dersitile interior lineman. he fits as the hollis thomas/jenks replacement (so does dan william but he isnt gona last as he can play the 3-4) than a guy like cody (more kemo). cody will go earlier as he is a 3-4 teams dream NT, as will dan williams. cam thomas played on a loaded line on a loaded defense and wasnt the star which is a slight concern more than the others listed. then again he was the anchor on the line that let the LBs play without OGs on them and freed up the rest of the lineman. kinda like ron brace last year who ran with the better raji with a good LB crew behind them.

Tyson Alualu is a 3-4 college end that may fit as the UT. not enough info to make a good opinion of him as a DT. i wonder if a 3-4 team reachs for him as a DE before our pick.

as for wr, gilyard was dominated by UF at the line. great hands, ok speed, nice wiggle, but his strength off the line will be exposed at the next level. he needs time. bey bey thomas is so raw and stiff he is a waste for a win today club, i like jarrett as a prospect more him. thomas is a much better run blocker as that was his #1 role at GT, everyone at GT was all about helping the run game. Andre Roberts, i like him, but lower comp than anyone else here. damian williams and brandon lefell i like a lot, but this draft has day 1 starting quality wrs avalible later (cooper, briscoe, decker, shiply, alexander, white) that are not the drop off DT becomes houston at DT. after houston comes the enigma called geno atkins. great workout, but not the same production of a price or houston. al woods is a 3-4 likely another 3-4 end. arthur jones i like too, but the injury likely drops him unfortunately.

i say houston before gilyard both on need and value. athleticly houston is top DT tallent, but his constant position change has hindered his developemnt and played a very inglorious position unlike gilyard. i do like gilyard if he bulks up and can fight through jams as his hands are outstanding, but the need and value of houston right now >> gilyard.

[chbright]

NcBobcat you are confusing. You say we need a starter at DT then you also admit that the chances of a legit number 2 on the roster already are slim. We can not have it both ways. I feel our need for a WR/KR trumps Yasinskas and some fans lack of faith in our young interior line. I think bringing in competition for Dwayne Jarrett is a better idea. I really think Jarrett would be better as a 3rd option.

briscoe and decker are perfect #2s in the league and can be had in the 3rd-5th rounds. where is a potentially dominant DT like houston later in the draft?? wrs can contribute a ton as rookies, thats well known, but there is a ton of value throughout the draft when it comes to wr every single year.

[Murph]

Here is a question, in the Fox/Hurney era how many WR's have they drafted that have given us the production of #1 or #2? The answer: one for only one season - Colbert's rookie year which he only got the opportunity because of injury to Smith.

Meaning, taking a WR to make an instant impact on this season is always risky but very risky with this coach.

[mick eye]

Houston is a 3rd round prospect. He is a very good player and i understand he would fit our scheme but do a lot of later round prospects. I think he is comparable to a player already on the roster Corvey Irvin.

Cam Thomas worked himself out of our range with a strong Senior Bowl. I see a team like Buffalo looking for the NT to implement their no scheme will reach for him. The Chiefs also still do not have a legit NT. Also the Bronco's, Chargers, and Dolphins are all have any NT prospects on their radar.

Brian Price is a dream that many of you need to wake up from. He is a top 20 pick but if there are concerns about his size the Colts and Saints won't care.

I can not wrap my mind around the notion that we would reach for Tyson or Houston instead of taking a top 10 WR. The WR group is deeper but we have specific needs that narrow the field. We want a speedster that can contribute in special teams, block well and give Jarrett some fire under him. Taylor Price, Gilyard, Mitchell, Roberts, and Shipley are not gonna last long.

[chbright]

Here is a question, in the Fox/Hurney era how many WR's have they drafted that have given us the production of #1 or #2? The answer: one for only one season - Colbert's rookie year which he only got the opportunity because of injury to Smith.

Meaning, taking a WR to make an instant impact on this season is always risky but very risky with this coach.

new WR coach this year. plus its not like those WR went elsewhere and became productive. so is it the players or the coaches? i like the slot #2 depth this year, and unless a #1 calibre guy drops (been, williams, lefell) i would only draft a slot/#2 if he was far and away the BPA.

[mick eye]

So let me get this straight cause it has not worked we give up? Houston potentially dominant? Briscoe and Decker lack the speed we want. Decker is damaged goods. I really like the guy as a player but in all honesty he is a 4th rounder with upside if his injuries do not bother him too much. Dezmon ran a 4.6 at the combine then a 4.5 at his pro day. Pro day numbers can be shady and a 4.5 for a 6'0' 200lb guy is kinda slow. Also he is another guy coming from a gimmick offense.

Decker, Briscoe, Cooper, Barnes, and about every one that would be available with our 3rd would be reaches and gambles to be number 2# in the NFL. Let's just agree to disagree you can not fathom going into next season with our existing DT's. I can not fathom another year with Moore, Jackson, and Jarrett as Smith's help. Or Munnelyn or Goodson returning kicks.

[jakesthemistake]

i dont know how ppl think that we need a DT more then a WR, yes we have problems at DT and DE but we have no speed at WR besides smitty and hes only getting older i would rather have the front 4 we have right now then not get a good number 2 WR in the draft

[mick eye]

new WR coach this year. plus its not like those WR went elsewhere and became productive. so is it the players or the coaches? i like the slot #2 depth this year, and unless a #1 calibre guy drops (been, williams, lefell) i would only draft a slot/#2 if he was far and away the BPA.

A WR would be the BPA. That is what i am trying to get you to realize. :beatdeadhorse5: