Yasinskas thinks one "starter" needed at DT

[ncbobcat]

lol at peppers getting double teamed.

Conistently, no...but he did command them, especially games where he demonstrated that he actually wanted to play i.e. the Vikings. He was getting double teams after the first half of that contest for sure.

[Snake]

Most starting DTs will be gone by pick 15 in the first round.

[ncbobcat]

Most starting DTs will be gone by pick 15 in the first round.

Franchise DTs...yes, starting calibre DTs, no.

[mick eye]

Kenny Powers and ncBobcat ye of little faith. How many picks do you want us to invest in the interior dline. We have already used two 2010 picks on DT's (Tank and LL) we have picked up a young FA (ED),and have a 3rd rounder waiting in the wings to show what he can do. Kenny suggested trading up using a future 1st and 4th too? And Ncbobcat suggests that the run on DT's i am projecting is why we need to get one in 2nd. The run is exactly why their will be no value even in the 2nd. Also, i am not saying that their will be a run on WR's as much as the DT's but the pickings will be equally slim by the 3rd. The window to get a WR is narrower than a DT. If you are looking for depth more than starter for DT. Jeff Owens, Linvall Joseph, Torrell Troup, and Mike Neal are options in the 3rd or LATER.

[mick eye]

Rankings of DT and how i see them going in draft.

1. Suh

2. McCoy

3. Dan Williams

4. Price

5. Odrick- last pick of the first round

6. Cam Thomas

7. Cody

8. Tyson Alualu- right around where we are picking

9. Lamar Houston REEEEAAAACHH.

[mick eye]

Ranking of WR's

1. Golden Tate

2. Dez Bryant

3. Arrelious Benn- top of the second

4. Damian Williams

5. Brandon LeFell

6. Mardy Gilyard- We will likely have our choice of 4-8 someone will reach for BayBay

7. Carlton Mitchell

8. Andre Roberts

9. Bay Bay Thomas

10. Jacoby Ford- 3rd round

[mick eye]

Now you tell me where the value lies.

[ncbobcat]

Again, we have depth at DT, questionable starters. We have a starting WR and little depth. Then the question once agian begs...if you are looking for a STARTER where do you get him. I say we need a starter at DT and the second is where we get him. We need depth at WR and that can be EASILY had in the third. I think the staff will have their final sink or swim trial for Jarrett this season. Even if a rookie WR is drafted, he would not unseat Jarrett THIS season.

Historically, especially the past decade, for highly drafted players (first day)...which position has made the biggest splash for rookies and which one had had the most duds?

So not only is DT a need for a starter, IMO, it is also a safer pick.

[ncbobcat]

Depends where they actually fall. You may look at more draft sites than I do, but you seem to have the DTs heavily run on in the first and the WRs heavily run on in the second. I can see your case if that what actually happens. However, I'm not seeing the run on DTs THAT heavily in the first, but the first AND second, where the pickings are slim in the third. As fars as WR, what I have seen is no run whatsoever....just basically starting in the second as first round talent is thin this year where outside of the top few guys, many should be left in the third.

So I guess it depends on how one thinks the draft will acually shake out.

[mick eye]

Oh and i forgot about Shipley and Taylor Price on that list. SO..i would say the upside and versatility of Mardy Gilyard or any of the other's i mentioned would be better than hoping that Tyson is there. CAUSE that is about the only guy i see available at that point. How can DT be a safer pick when odds are against you. We will have our choice of several talented WR's or we can cross our fingers than there is not a run on DT's and someone other than Tyson is there.

I can not see how you can argue the fact that the DT class is top heavy with 8-9 guys worthy of a 1st through 3rd pick. When the amount of WR's is closer to 16 in that value range and we can get our choice after the top 4.

[DynastyRTR]

We have a starting WR and little depth.

little depth?

1-Steve Smith

2-Dwayne Jarrett

3-Kenneth Moore

4-Dexter Jackson

5-Wallace Wright

6-Charly Martin

again...little depth? we have 1 legit starter in Smitty, and a guy who could eventually turn into a #2 in Jarrett. Kenneth Moore showed last year he is a good #3, D-Jack, can be a good #4, and KR/PR guy. Wright, I have no idea about other than he is a ST beast. and Charly Martin only played in a few games last season. we have depth, just not a legit #2. say we draft Arrelious Benn who battle Jarrett in TC for the #2 WR position. all of a sudden, we "COULD" have a really good passing game.

[mick eye]

I see a run on DT's because it is a very strong class. McCoy and Suh at the top, teams switching to 3-4's or teams with aging NT's will have Cody, Cam, and Williams highly valued and coveted. 4-3 teams that are becoming increasingly rare will compete for DT's while 3-4 teams will eye guys like Tyson and Odrick to play DE. So yeah i think their will be more DT/DE drafted early than skill positions. I only see Tate and Dez going in the first. That leaves alot of talent in the second.

[mick eye]

1-Steve Smith / needs help

2-Dwayne Jarrett / could help but i would hedge my bet

3-Kenneth Moore / i am a Wake Forest homer but he could be upgraded

4-Dexter Jackson / Likely will not make the squad if talent is brought in

5-Wallace Wright/ special teams player not a WR actually

6-Charly Martin / Likely will not make the squad if talent is brought in

so way i see it we have 3 spots that could be upgraded. That is if Wallace Wright is as good on special as advertised.

[ncbobcat]

little depth?

1-Steve Smith

2-Dwayne Jarrett

3-Kenneth Moore

4-Dexter Jackson

5-Wallace Wright

6-Charly Martin

again...little depth? we have 1 legit starter in Smitty, and a guy who could eventually turn into a #2 in Jarrett. Kenneth Moore showed last year he is a good #3, D-Jack, can be a good #4, and KR/PR guy. Wright, I have no idea about other than he is a ST beast. and Charly Martin only played in a few games last season. we have depth, just not a legit #2. say we draft Arrelious Benn who battle Jarrett in TC for the #2 WR position. all of a sudden, we "COULD" have a really good passing game.

My bad, I should have qualified that...little QUALITY depth. Of course there are bodies, but I don't see any of those guys becoming a solid #2 behind Smitty...#3 maybe.