Vikings might trade Jefferson

[JawnyBlaze]

49 minutes ago, ClawOn said:

You'd be paying him a lot of money for 2 years minimum where the team has no chance of being competitive.  

I hate that narrative. Sure it’s unlikely we’ll be competitive but the Texans went from the #2 pick to the playoffs. Other teams have gone from top one or two pick to the playoffs in the next or following year.  We have a chance of being competitive THIS year if Canales and Morgan are good. Unlikely, but possible. 

[CamWhoaaCam]

53 minutes ago, rayzor said:

oh, we probably can afford to pick up one elite player. but then what? how much will we have left to fill holes elsewhere? do we just depend on the draft to fill out this team? you know we've only got 5 picks and no first rounder.  we will have (after the increase) about $40 mil. 

how wise is it to spend 75% of our available cap on one player when we have so many holes to fill?

We can fill our holes in the upcoming drafts.

 

We aren't turning this around overnight regardless of how many holes we fill. Getting arguably the best WR in football will make filling those other holes much easier. 

 

We can find lineman, we can't find a Justin Jefferson.

[CRA]

2 hours ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

Saying they lost becasue that guys is all world is Tepper level poo. Vikings were ass on D and turnover machines on offense.   Plus there are about to hit rebuild mode.   Not wanting him is typical panther fan BS. Let’s just be mid forever. 

That's not what I am saying. 

I'm saying despite how great JJ is.....it still wasn't enough to win games in Minny.  So what's he going to do for us given our sad state of affairs?  No point dumping insane money into a WR if you are Carolina.  We got too many issues to even think about dumping money into a mega star WR. 

 

[Panthero]

1 hour ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I hate that narrative. Sure it’s unlikely we’ll be competitive but the Texans went from the #2 pick to the playoffs. Other teams have gone from top one or two pick to the playoffs in the next or following year.  We have a chance of being competitive THIS year if Canales and Morgan are good. Unlikely, but possible. 

Man those are outliers. More likely we aren't in the playoffs until 26. 

[Stingray3030]

1 hour ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I hate that narrative. Sure it’s unlikely we’ll be competitive but the Texans went from the #2 pick to the playoffs. Other teams have gone from top one or two pick to the playoffs in the next or following year.  We have a chance of being competitive THIS year if Canales and Morgan are good. Unlikely, but possible. 

No one is saying it isn't possible, but agreeing it is unlikely same as you.  But you are ignoring context - the Texans were 3-13 but they had already begun rebuilding for years - they had a top 4 pick 4 straight years, not 1.  They developed guys like Nico, Greenard - they had back to back really good drafts for Stingley, Pitre, Tank, Stroud, Anderson, Harris.  They had cheap, productive FA signings in Schultz and Singletary.  They had a large amount of available funds.  We have none of that....none.....Our point is we are the 2020 Texans not the 2022....we are a few years and alot of luck away from JJ making much difference.

[ClawOn]

1 hour ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I hate that narrative. Sure it’s unlikely we’ll be competitive but the Texans went from the #2 pick to the playoffs. Other teams have gone from top one or two pick to the playoffs in the next or following year.  We have a chance of being competitive THIS year if Canales and Morgan are good. Unlikely, but possible. 

Not really a narrative. We have the worst roster in the league.  Stroud isn't coming to save the day.

If Canales and Morgan are good,  we won't be regularly embarrassed this season.   That's the ceiling. 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, ClawOn said:

Not really a narrative. We have the worst roster in the league.  Stroud isn't coming to save the day.

If Canales and Morgan are good,  we won't be regularly embarrassed this season.   That's the ceiling. 

Bryce Young paired with our coaching was just horrible.

Stroud wasn't walking in the door w/ good offensive skill players around him. 

going into last season, 90% of the board would have said Carolina was a better place to land. 

QB and play calling reigns supreme.  Houston had it.  We didn't.   

[JawnyBlaze]

16 minutes ago, Panthero said:

Man those are outliers. More likely we aren't in the playoffs until 26. 

Sure. But likely =\= no chance

[JawnyBlaze]

6 minutes ago, ClawOn said:

Not really a narrative. We have the worst roster in the league.  Stroud isn't coming to save the day.

If Canales and Morgan are good,  we won't be regularly embarrassed this season.   That's the ceiling. 

That is a narrative and we don’t have the worst roster. The Bears are probably worse. Jacksonville maybe. Washington, Atlanta maybe. This idea that we are completely untalented is emotional knee jerk reactions. We have a very talented defense and enough on offense to be ok with proper coaching. That’s the difference. The QB is a huge problem no doubt. If we had taken Stroud maybe Reich doesn’t lose his job so quick and we don’t get Canales who might be the next savant. No way to know yet. But our roster isn’t as bad as our record last year. More like the record the year before. 

[JawnyBlaze]

24 minutes ago, Stingray3030 said:

No one is saying it isn't possible, but agreeing it is unlikely same as you.  But you are ignoring context - the Texans were 3-13 but they had already begun rebuilding for years - they had a top 4 pick 4 straight years, not 1.  They developed guys like Nico, Greenard - they had back to back really good drafts for Stingley, Pitre, Tank, Stroud, Anderson, Harris.  They had cheap, productive FA signings in Schultz and Singletary.  They had a large amount of available funds.  We have none of that....none.....Our point is we are the 2020 Texans not the 2022....we are a few years and alot of luck away from JJ making much difference.

We could be the Bengals of a few years ago. We haven’t been picking top three but we’ve been picking top ten-ish. Insert a guy like Jefferson, draft a couple sleepers (most of the Texans’ guys aren’t first round picks, not the receivers anyway) and we do have a decent amount of funds.  Good coaching, nail a couple draft picks, get a couple key FAs and we’re ready to compete for this shitty division IF Bryce can just not look like the utter abomination that he was last year. 

Edited February 27 by JawnyBlaze

[CamWhoaaCam]

Looking at the Vikings board and nobody is viewing this as a realistic possibility.

 

Seems like this is just another spicy made up rumor for clicks n views.

 

 

[Stingray3030]

1 minute ago, JawnyBlaze said:

We could be the Bengals of a few years ago. We haven’t been picking top three but we’ve been picking top ten-ish. Insert a guy like Jefferson, draft a couple sleepers (most of the Texans’ guys aren’t first round picks, not the receivers anyway)

You are missing my point - they drafted 2-4 starters/Pro Bowlers each year in the last 3....we haven't drafted ANY in the last 3 years.  They sign FA's who start and play well - we haven't.  They got a new HC who was outstanding - ours was fired mind season his first year.  Acting like these 2 teams are in the same ballpark loses you any credibility.  The Bengals had 3 years of rebuild also before Burrow & 2020....we have spent the last 3 years adding NOTHING.  What on this roster do you see we added the last 3 drafts?  Honestly what talent are you talking about?

[JawnyBlaze]

1 minute ago, Stingray3030 said:

You are missing my point - they drafted 2-4 starters/Pro Bowlers each year in the last 3....we haven't drafted ANY in the last 3 years.  They sign FA's who start and play well - we haven't.  They got a new HC who was outstanding - ours was fired mind season his first year.  Acting like these 2 teams are in the same ballpark loses you any credibility.  The Bengals had 3 years of rebuild also before Burrow & 2020....we have spent the last 3 years adding NOTHING.  What on this roster do you see we added the last 3 drafts?  Honestly what talent are you talking about?

Last year: Mingo could be Nico. We won’t know til we get decent QB and play calling. 
2022: Icky. Sure last year didn’t look good but his deficiency has been blown WAY out of proportion here. He was very good his rookie year and competent coaching can get him back on track. Barno is a decent situational pass rusher that could keep improving. Mays is solid OL depth. 
2021: Horn is an all pro if he stays healthy. He was healthy most of last year. BC is a solid OL starter. Tremble is a decent TE that could still get better especially with better QB play and play calling. Chuba is, beyond all my expectations from his first two years, a decent starting RB. 
 

Not to mention rookies that looked like trash last year could actually make a leap with good coaching and playcalling.  The sky isn’t falling and last year was a perfect storm of sucktitude. It all depends on Canales, his staff and Morgan. 

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

We can fill our holes in the upcoming drafts.

 

We aren't turning this around overnight regardless of how many holes we fill. Getting arguably the best WR in football will make filling those other holes much easier. 

 

We can find lineman, we can't find a Justin Jefferson.

If we aren't filling those holes overnight, then why send $30mil/year on a WR?

Just makes no sense.