Ok, doom-and-gloomers, break it down for me! :)

[jpniner]

will be better at QB next year, can't get any worse. So that is an improvement.

Defense and need for a 2nd WR threat are the question marks right now, IMO

[klumme]

One thing is for sure.... If we were to go into 2010 with Kemoeatu, Lewis and Brayton on our line and they would tank it ( they did in 2009 with Peppers and Kemo is coming back from IR ) you would all call for Fox head cause he loves his vets and never play the young guys.

Now he goes with the young guys and he and the FO is morons who have thrown away the season.

[CRA]

I guess by your logic we should always stay with vets and not play the young guys.....

John Fox....is that you posting on here again.

No, I have no problem with what Carolian is doing and support the move. However, I am not under the illusion it was done to make us better now or more competitive in 2010. It was a move to make us better in the long run not in 2010.

Everything being done has JR's stamp.....and Fox knows JR is prepping the team for post Fox in 2012 .

[Cyberjag]

Everyone is speculating that this is being done with JR's stamp.....and everyone is speculating that Fox knows JR is prepping the team for post Fox in 2012 .

Fixed.

[CRA]

Fixed.

if you say so.

[MadHatter]

No, I have no problem with what Carolian is doing and support the move. However, I am not under the illusion it was done to make us better now or more competitive in 2010. It was a move to make us better in the long run not in 2010.

Everything being done has JR's stamp.....and Fox knows JR is prepping the team for post Fox in 2012 .

I don't think we will set the world on fire next season. I think we will be competetive next season and be in the mix for the playoffs. However, we will be set up very nicely for the future.

I am taking more of a wait and see approach. Waiting to see the rest of FA and the draft before jumping to conclusions.

[CRA]

I don't think we will set the world on fire next season. I think we will be competetive next season and be in the mix for the playoffs. However, we will be set up very nicely for the future.

I am taking more of a wait and see approach. Waiting to see the rest of FA and the draft before jumping to conclusions.

well, only way we are in the playoff mix is if Moore is legitimately half man, half god, half possible centaur and our offense steamrolls people. It could happen I guess....the end of the year looked pretty good. That D is going to be bottom 3rd of the league easily.

[Big Ed]

Mike Minter is gone our defense is scr--ed

Jenkins is gone our defense is S-------

Rucker is gone our defense is S-------

Witherspoon is gone our defense is S-------

Dan is gone our defense is S-------

Peppers,Brayton,Lewis,Kemo are gone

Every season same GLOOM & DOOM

[Big Ed]

All Moore needs to do in a run first offense is controll the game an keep ints as low as possible.

Moore will complete more passes to more differnt players than Jake did.

He has better timming with the 2nd &3rd string WR,TE,RB he practised with them.

Playoffs are just 2 wins more than last season and Moore was behind a lot of those wins .

Panthers still have draft and F/A to add

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Our entire DLine is a question mark and we have zero depth at DE as well as OLB.

Our WR corp is one injury to Steve Smith away from being the biggest laughing stock in the NFL.

I actually agree with every single cut that's been made up to this point but I would have liked to see them be more aggressive bringing in players to fill those voids. It looks right now like we are setting up to have success long term (which I'm fine with) but that doesn't exactly give me a ton of confidence going into 2010.

I usually have a positive outlook on things but this offseason thus far is giving me least amount of optimism I've had for an upcoming season in a long time.

[CRA]

Mike Minter is gone our defense is scr--ed

Jenkins is gone our defense is S-------

Rucker is gone our defense is S-------

Witherspoon is gone our defense is S-------

Dan is gone our defense is S-------

Peppers,Brayton,Lewis,Kemo are gone

Every season same GLOOM & DOOM

rucker was never replaced - DL got worse

jenkins was never replaced - DL got worse

pep won't beh replaced - DL will get worse

you can't argue that. Now, there are zero legit playmakers to help mask and make up for how average the rest of the line is....the entire line is average(and that is being nice).

[MadHatter]

rucker was never replaced - DL got worse

jenkins was never replaced - DL got worse

pep won't beh replaced - DL will get worse

you can't argue that. Now, there are zero legit playmakers to help mask and make up for how average the rest of the line is....the entire line is average(and that is being nice).

I have another proposed bet for you.....

I will bet you that the Panthers DL has more sacks in 2010 than they did in 2009. Care to wager?

[Big Ed]

I have another proposed bet for you.....

I will bet you that the Panthers DL has more sacks in 2010 than they did in 2009. Care to wager?

That's what I'm talking about !~

[2jakefansinva]

One thing is for sure.... If we were to go into 2010 with Kemoeatu, Lewis and Brayton on our line and they would tank it ( they did in 2009 with Peppers and Kemo is coming back from IR ) you would all call for Fox head cause he loves his vets and never play the young guys.

Now he goes with the young guys and he and the FO is morons who have thrown away the season.

Exactly, and with those guys we went 8-8. This team will be no more of a let-down than what we had last season, and could be surprisingly better. Quit the bitching, people.