What does Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwin think about our offseason?

[Lumps]

You guys should know better than arguing with p55, its never ending.

[panthers55]

My point is the majority of players we have, have all started and/or played numerous in the NFL wether here or other teams. Its not like there making a huge trastion or learning curve. I mean lewis came here with only 19 games under his belt.

Further more, the biggest point is Lewis and Brayton have done nothing amazing more then avereage play. So to equal out there loss all we really need is to have two of those players play at the same level. I don't believe thats asking to much

I would agree that Brayton and Lewis weren't spectacular by any measure but were solid guys who for the most part stayed healthy worked cheap and were productive for us. Brayton for example was 2nd on the D line with 5 sacks and first in tackles, even more than Peppers. He was a good guy in the rotation with Johnson on the left side and together they collected 70 tackles and 9 sacks.

He will be missed more than you think when Johnson has to carry the load himself. It isn't just replacing Brayton with Johnson and hoping for the best but now finding someone to replace Johnson because our depth just took a hit as well. And the reality is that Brayton wasn't looking for big money either I am sure. There was no reason to cut him other than his age and trying to go cheaper. You forget that not only will 9 players have to step up and assume starter roles with no tailoff all at the same time, but 9 more guys will all have to fill in backup roles and perform in a rotations. Add that if any injuries occur and they will, some of these backups will be starting at sometime during the year. All reasons for significant concern in my opinion.

[panthers55]

You guys should know better than arguing with p55, it's a never ending.

As long as it is discussion instead of personal atacks, it is all grist for the mill. Secondly you aren't exactly know for starting things once and letting it go. There are a lot of folks who accuse people of actions and behaviors they are guilty of themselves.

Pot- meet kettle

[carolinanimal]

I would agree that Brayton and Lewis weren't spectacular by any measure but were solid guys who for the most part stayed healthy worked cheap and were productive for us. Brayton for example was 2nd on the D line with 5 sacks and first in tackles, even more than Peppers. He was a good guy in the rotation with Johnson on the left side and together they collected 70 tackles and 9 sacks.

He will be missed more than you think when Johnson has to carry the load himself. It isn't just replacing Brayton with Johnson and hoping for the best but now finding someone to replace Johnson because our depth just took a hit as well. And the reality is that Brayton wasn't looking for big money either I am sure. There was no reason to cut him other than his age and trying to go cheaper. You forget that not only will 9 players have to step up and assume starter roles with no tailoff all at the same time, but 9 more guys will all have to fill in backup roles and perform in a rotations. Add that if any injuries occur and they will, some of these backups will be starting at sometime during the year. All reasons for significant concern in my opinion.

this is again where most miss the point on this board. after they finish wiping themselves down after the orgy from reading beason's post, they would realize that we have zero depth. guys who are unproven now have to start and guys who are probably more unproven will have to provide backup.