The CAP is now $255.4 MILLION….. now pay Burns, Brown, Luvu and let’s get this ship righted

[PNW_PantherMan]

I think the right call is to let him walk and get the comp pick.  Both the team and Burns could use a break up.  The opportunity to move him has passed us by.  Just accept the sunk cost and move on.

[WhoKnows]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

Since 2020, Sweat has the highest run defense grade on PFF. And led two teams in sacks. Burns has one of the lowest, and wasn’t better than Sweat at anything last year. The Huddle doesn’t recognize run defense, but NFL people do. 
 

  21M to see if a 3rd can become a 2nd. Maybe. And that’s only if a team meets his “asking” price. They might waste the money. But that was the same reasoning people were using to not trade him to the Rams. “We can’t draft anyhow” was the common theme. 

I don’t care about Dave’s money and again that $21M doesn’t matter. After Brown, Luvu and Burns, we have no big contracts coming down the pipeline, especially without our 2024 1st.

Before this year when Burns made a business decision, he was absolutely a better pass rusher and more valuable. I still would have taken the Rams deal in a heartbeat. Don’t forget that Burns is also 2 years younger than Sweat as well. Sweat only signed a 4 year extension and he’ll still be 30/31 in his last two years. Burns could sign a 4 year deal and won’t hit 30 until a year after the deal is done. He’s more valuable and I don’t think the league has ever said Sweat was. Sweat’s also has been on more talented DLs overall. I’d still rather have the picks and cap space but I’d take Burns for 4 years all things equal instead of Sweat. Shark move still would have been to trade Burns and use the 2nd to trade for Sweat and still had 2 1sts and $5-10M a year for a FA, but that would require a smart person running the show.

 

[Toomers]

10 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

I don’t care about Dave’s money and again that $21M doesn’t matter. After Brown, Luvu and Burns, we have no big contracts coming down the pipeline, especially without our 2024 1st.

Before this year when Burns made a business decision, he was absolutely a better pass rusher and more valuable. I still would have taken the Rams deal in a heartbeat. Don’t forget that Burns is also 2 years younger than Sweat as well. Sweat only signed a 4 year extension and he’ll still be 30/31 in his last two years. Burns could sign a 4 year deal and won’t hit 30 until a year after the deal is done. He’s more valuable and I don’t think the league has ever said Sweat was. Sweat’s also has been on more talented DLs overall. I’d still rather have the picks and cap space but I’d take Burns for 4 years all things equal instead of Sweat. Shark move still would have been to trade Burns and use the 2nd to trade for Sweat and still had 2 1sts and $5-10M a year for a FA, but that would require a smart person running the show.

 

“Dave’s money”??? So now it is somehow just the owners money and not the cap space that  it is in reality. Something you have harped on, like me, forever. Why couldn’t that go to a FA in 2025 when the team starts to figure out what they have. 
 

And if age is all you got, I rest my case.  Burns isn’t getting better. More the opposite. 

[Peon Awesome]

11 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I think the right call is to let him walk and get the comp pick.  Both the team and Burns could use a break up.  The opportunity to move him has passed us by.  Just accept the sunk cost and move on.

This is probably the worst possible thing we can do. Best case in that scenario is we lose Burns, have to sit out free agency completely to not negate the comp pick and then get essentially the last pick of the 3rd round in 2025. The only viable options are tag and trade or sign to a long term extension. You're deluding yourself if you think we can't do better than what's essentially a 2025 4th round pick if we tag and trade him. 

[WhoKnows]

47 minutes ago, Toomers said:

“Dave’s money”??? So now it is somehow just the owners money and not the cap space that  it is in reality. Something you have harped on, like me, forever. Why couldn’t that go to a FA in 2025 when the team starts to figure out what they have. 
 

And if age is all you got, I rest my case.  Burns isn’t getting better. More the opposite. 

It’s Dave’s money because if you look ahead, we don’t have any worth extending after Brown/Luvu and maybe Burns. You only have to spend 89% of the cap space over 3 years so by the time we actually need it the 2024 cap won’t matter. I’m not saying we won’t waste money as per usual on Hurst and Houston and Sanders, but Burns 2024 tag is meaningless long term because we’ve done such a shitty job drafting that we don’t have worries about can we afford to pay Higgins and Chase while paying Burrow. I have harped on the cap for ages but it just hit me that Fitterer made it a non issue with 3 horrific drafts.

Burns was better for 3 years and Sweat was better last year but 2 years younger does play a part. You have risk with Sweat’s age and no risk with Burns’ age for the same deals.

[DaveThePanther2008]

2 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

have to sit out free agency completely

People tend to forget that if you get a free agent in the same value as Burns you don't get that compensation.  I believe that is how it works.  It isn't automatic that you get the 3rd round compensation just because you let a starter go. 

[Toomers]

5 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

It’s Dave’s money because if you look ahead, we don’t have any worth extending after Brown/Luvu and maybe Burns. You only have to spend 89% of the cap space over 3 years so by the time we actually need it the 2024 cap won’t matter. I’m not saying we won’t waste money as per usual on Hurst and Houston and Sanders, but Burns 2024 tag is meaningless long term because we’ve done such a shitty job drafting that we don’t have worries about can we afford to pay Higgins and Chase while paying Burrow. I have harped on the cap for ages but it just hit me that Fitterer made it a non issue with 3 horrific drafts.

Burns was better for 3 years and Sweat was better last year but 2 years younger does play a part. You have risk with Sweat’s age and no risk with Burns’ age for the same deals.

   It’s overpaying(and renting) a player that’s not in the teams future plans at his current asking price. Something you have argued against doing for ages. And you’re using the same sad excuses people used on you(and me)

  They blow it anyhow(or can’t draft) so why try.

It’s the owners money, why does it matter. 
 

And the Hail Mary one of the 89% rule. When is the last time that had any effect on any team? Multiple teams have had over 100M in cap space to start a year and I fail to remember any team getting near that. 
 

And I’ve seen Sweat as a complete DE. Not a one dimensional specialist who’s a liability on 40+% of the snaps. And Burns is still “potential” that needs some sort of perfect situation to play capable of what he thinks he’s worth. 

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

   It’s overpaying(and renting) a player that’s not in the teams future plans at his current asking price. Something you have argued against doing for ages. And you’re using the same sad excuses people used on you(and me)

  They blow it anyhow(or can’t draft) so why try.

It’s the owners money, why does it matter. 
 

And the Hail Mary one of the 89% rule. When is the last time that had any effect on any team? Multiple teams have had over 100M in cap space to start a year and I fail to remember any team getting near that. 
 

And I’ve seen Sweat as a complete DE. Not a one dimensional specialist who’s a liability on 40+% of the snaps. And Burns is still “potential” that needs some sort of perfect situation to play capable of what he thinks he’s worth. 

You like Sweat better, that’s fine but I still think Burns is considered more valuable. I know I seem to be backtracking on cap but I am willing to burn Dave’s money if we could somehow get a decent pick for Burns. Again, Fitterer has done so poorly drafting and trading that his poo 2021-2023 drafting and his throwing away of 2 of our best 4 draft picks the next two years that our cap space will not be anything close to an issue for at least 5+ years. I hate wasting cap but fug it, I’m in for “buying” draft capital we need far more desperately than extra cap space.