Smitty vs. Fitzgerald

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But he doesn't come up with the same yardage, so what besides you being a Panther fan is your reasoning for calling Smith the better of the two? Fitz, is younger bigger and is still getting better. I hate to break your hearts, but there isn't one team in the league who would take Smith over Fitz.

Don't try to discount the fact that there's an element of homerism in our arguments. If I was a Cards fan I'd probably be saying Fitz was better, if you were a Panthers fan you'd probably say Smith was better. But that's not all my argument is about. Don't forget being a receiver isn't all about getting 8 receptions and 125 yards a game. How's Fitz's run blocking? Steve's is excellent, especially for a 5'9'', 185lb guy.

Fitz is 6-4 and Smith is realistically about 5-7 (yes I have seen him in person). I will be more than generous and give you 5-9. Still. Fitz has much longer arms and a 38" vertical. You just really make no sense. I could understand if you just said "Hey I am a Panther fan and love my boy Smith so I am gonna say he can do anything". But to try and use facts that prove the opposite of what you are saying just makes you look bad.

Sorry, but NFL.com says Smith's 5'9'' and Fitz is 6'3'' and until they change it, I'm gonna take their word for it. You've seen him in person but did you bring a tape measure with you? I think not. This isn't pro wrestling where they say a 6'5'' guy is 6'11''.

You want facts. Well here's the facts. FACT. Arizona's offense has chucked the ball significantly more than Carolina consistently year-to-year, so saying Fitz has to compete with more recievers than Smith does doesn't really hold water when AZ's throwing the ball 45 times a game and Carolina's throwing it 25 times a game. You're guy's getting more opportunities to get open than Smith and Smith is STILL matching him stride for stride. You know 2005?

Steve Smith in receptions, yards, touchdowns: 103, 1563, 12.

Fitzgerald: 103, 1409, 10.

Carolina's passing game that year: 449 attempts, 269 completions

Arizona's passing game that year: 670 attempts, 419 completions

You guys almost had as many completions as we even threw the damn ball in 05.

Keep telling me Fitz is better.

2008 Smith 78, 1421, 6 tds in 14 games

2008 Fitz 96, 1431, 12 tds in 16 games

TDs you say? Well, on most of our TDs Smith's number wasn't called but he's definitely capable. (why try to pass it in and risk an INT when you can run it in easy?)

At the end of the day I put yards in as one important dimension of a receiver's ability and the fact that Smith had only ten yards less than Fitz while playing 2 less games says a lot about Smith's abilities.

I value Fitz as a top 3 receiver in the league, but he's not better than Smith, history will tell you that, and if you haven't watched Smitty much, here's a suggestion:

youtube.com

type in "steve smith panthers" in the search bar.

select videos that are relevant

watch them

[WarnerToFitz]

Y'all can talk circles around this issue all day. There's one simple answer... They both are elite and possibly the top 2 in the leaque.

They are too different to be compared in such a similar fashion. They both demand double teams and score points. I think that says about all you need.

Can't say your wrong there Smith is sick fast. O, and my I say 99.9% of us Cards fan hate him out of fear he is truly one of the best. If Fitz had his speed Jerry Rice would be bumped to number two all time.

[ChucktownK]

If your going to the game and want to see Fitz and Kurt do there thing see the worm ups. Kurt stand on the 45 to 50 yard line and throws to Fitz in the corner of the endzone and he grabs them all with one hand over and over again it's looks nasty. If not it's OK you will see it maybe 2 or 3 times in the game.

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I have.

[Baschski]

You can also say that Smith doesn't benifit from having as good of a recieving core, but he has something that Fitz has never had and that is a ground game. Teams are forced to stack the line against you guys all the time while they NEVER do so against the Cards. There is always 5 in the secondary for Fitz to beat out.

This point is invalid because Smitty is always double covered regardless of whether they're playing 8 in the box or not.

[WarnerToFitz]

Don't try to discount the fact that there's an element of homerism in our arguments. If I was a Cards fan I'd probably be saying Fitz was better, if you were a Panthers fan you'd probably say Smith was better. But that's not all my argument is about. Don't forget being a receiver isn't all about getting 8 receptions and 125 yards a game. How's Fitz's run blocking? Steve's is excellent, especially for a 5'9'', 185lb guy.

Sorry, but NFL.com says Smith's 5'9'' and Fitz is 6'3'' and until they change it, I'm gonna take their word for it. You've seen him in person but did you bring a tape measure with you? I think not. This isn't pro wrestling where they say a 6'5'' guy is 6'11''.

You want facts. Well here's the facts. FACT. Arizona's offense has chucked the ball significantly more than Carolina consistently year-to-year, so saying Fitz has to compete with more recievers than Smith does doesn't really hold water when AZ's throwing the ball 45 times a game and Carolina's throwing it 25 times a game. You're guy's getting more opportunities to get open than Smith and Smith is STILL matching him stride for stride. You know 2005?

Steve Smith in receptions, yards, touchdowns: 103, 1563, 12.

Fitzgerald: 103, 1409, 10.

Carolina's passing game that year: 449 attempts, 269 completions

Arizona's passing game that year: 670 attempts, 419 completions

You guys almost had as many completions as we even threw the damn ball in 05.

Keep telling me Fitz is better.

2008 Smith 78, 1421, 6 tds in 14 games

2008 Fitz 96, 1431, 12 tds in 16 games

TDs you say? Well, on most of our TDs Smith's number wasn't called but he's definitely capable. (why try to pass it in and risk an INT when you can run it in easy?)

At the end of the day I put yards in as one important dimension of a receiver's ability and the fact that Smith had only ten yards less than Fitz while playing 2 less games says a lot about Smith's abilities.

I value Fitz as a top 3 receiver in the league, but he's not better than Smith, history will tell you that, and if you haven't watched Smitty much, here's a suggestion:

youtube.com

type in "steve smith panthers" in the search bar.

select videos that are relevant

watch them

The only bad thing Fitz has had to work on is YAC and Smith with out a doubt is a lot better at that. But Fitz has worker hard on that and is geting a lot better at it. In the next few seasons he will have YAC numbers not as good as Smith but pretty close.

[MadHatter]

Both are SICK.....end of discussion.

[HSCBandit07]

good arguments all around. Remember Smiths tight rope walking during the last game? I think they are both fantastic in different categories having different styles. Smith has the speed and acrobatics, and is better getting off the jam than anyone else period. Fitz has other attributes that make him great for grabs at the corner of the endzone, probably better hands (smith did drop a few this year he shouldn't have) etc... Both are the best in the business

[WarnerToFitz]

Both are SICK.....end of discussion.

Yup good call.

[WarnerToFitz]

good arguments all around. Remember Smiths tight rope walking during the last game? I think they are both fantastic in different categories having different styles. Smith has the speed and acrobatics, and is better getting off the jam than anyone else period. Fitz has other attributes that make him great for grabs at the corner of the endzone, probably better hands (smith did drop a few this year he shouldn't have) etc... Both are the best in the business

Ok don't even say he was in bonds there is no way he was only a blind Carolina love would have you believe that.

[HSCBandit07]

I saw the replays....amazing foot control and the call would have stood no matter what the origional call was because there wasn't enough evidence to overturn it either way. I personally think he was in bounds by a milimeter

[WarnerToFitz]

Ok I have to go talk to you later good luck. I hope the card fans that have come here have been respectful if not tell them not to come back to our board we don't want them.

[WarnerToFitz]

I saw the replays....amazing foot control and the call would have stood no matter what the origional call was because there wasn't enough evidence to overturn it either way. I personally think he was in bounds by a milimeter

No way only Fitz can do that. "Joke" He was out "Not a joke"

[HSCBandit07]

his foot was over the line...but only his heel touched the ground...amazing really. There are some good hi def replays of it somewhere online and i am convinced. I doubt you care but i was skeptical until i saw the vid too

[Baschski]

Someone said it well earlier...Fitz may be the better receiver, but Smitty is the better PLAYER. If you want to get into numbers and measurements about height and age and about what a receiver "should" be, then yeah you'll probably conclude that Fitzgerald is better. But here's the thing...Smitty is better for reasons that you can't measure. You can't put a number on determination, you can't measure toughness or intensity. The reason we Panthers fans know that Smith is better is because we've spent years watching this man put on the most unbelievable clutch performances in football. So what if he doesn't have 12 TD's? He comes through against all odds and every adversity exactly when his team needs him to. His intensity pushes the entire team.