Sports Agency telling players not to take cognitive tests before draft.

[rayzor]

5 hours ago, WarHeel said:

I’m still not buying that Bryce was the original consensus. I firmly believe this test screwed Stroud and subsequently screwed us into making potentially the dumbest sequence of trades and draft picks this franchise has ever seen. 

I think it was a perfect storm of misconception made by a couple who happened to be the owners of the team. They weren't just looking for the face of the franchise. They were looking for the voice and they were looking/hoping for someone who sounded like they did.

I really think they were looking for someone who wouldn't just win games, but who would win the hearts of the market they were try appeal to who had the money. They were looking to make the typical middle /upper-middle class fan comfortable so, between the two top prospects I think they didn't rely on talent, but marketable personality.

Tepper from the beginning has tried his best to get media attention to the team he bought. Trying to make the biggest splash possible. He didn't want the best team. He wanted the most hyped team. The most marketable team.

Just my opinion and I could be totally wrong, but I think that he and his wife WANTED Bryce to be the best prospect so they believed it and sold everyone else on it...or just flat out pushed it on people who wanted to please the boss and his wife.

 Bryce was the well-mannered polite kid you could take to your grandma and who would comment on just how well-spoken and well-mannered he was.

I think the kid has talent and he might still become a good QB. I hope he is. But I really do believe that he fit the personality mold the teppers were wanting for the face/voice of their team.

[csx]

There might be truth to that but Bryce was clearly ranked above Stroud on the majority big boards. It's revisionist history to suggest the Teppers were out on an island with this. Those who preferred Stroud were mocked on the Huddle 

[rayzor]

22 minutes ago, csx said:

There might be truth to that but Bryce was clearly ranked above Stroud on the majority big boards. It's revisionist history to suggest the Teppers were out on an island with this. Those who preferred Stroud were mocked on the Huddle 

I don't think they were on an island. I think there were a lot of people who bought it. But there are also mega doubts about him as well.

Also, people who preferred bryce were mocked by those who didn't think it was a good choice. It was pretty heavily divided and the ebb flowed back and forth between the two regularly.

I think people loved the idea of Bryce and there was just enough to see that people felt ok with that choice.

Confirmation bias played a role in the decision and people's opinions about both guys, but particularly with Bryce. Those who didn't want a short QB weren't going to hear anything that could possibly change their minds that it might not be the issue that they thought it would be. Many just wanted a big QB. Many wanted Cam...again.

Also, many who loved the idea of Bryce the guy and the super processer and weren't willing to consider anything that might point to the idea that he may not be the best choice. Not the strongest arm. Not a powerhouse. Not a big personality that can help take command. Not a big guy. I mean he really is tiny. That's not an insignificant point to consider.

But people were willing to overlook stuff with Bryce because they liked the idea of him... including me.

I'm not sold on him anymore, but I am hopeful that Canales and his crew can make it work.

[ForJimmy]

56 minutes ago, rayzor said:

I don't think they were on an island. I think there were a lot of people who bought it. But there are also mega doubts about him as well.

Also, people who preferred bryce were mocked by those who didn't think it was a good choice. It was pretty heavily divided and the ebb flowed back and forth between the two regularly.

I think people loved the idea of Bryce and there was just enough to see that people felt ok with that choice.

Confirmation bias played a role in the decision and people's opinions about both guys, but particularly with Bryce. Those who didn't want a short QB weren't going to hear anything that could possibly change their minds that it might not be the issue that they thought it would be. Many just wanted a big QB. Many wanted Cam...again.

Also, many who loved the idea of Bryce the guy and the super processer and weren't willing to consider anything that might point to the idea that he may not be the best choice. Not the strongest arm. Not a powerhouse. Not a big personality that can help take command. Not a big guy. I mean he really is tiny. That's not an insignificant point to consider.

But people were willing to overlook stuff with Bryce because they liked the idea of him... including me.

I'm not sold on him anymore, but I am hopeful that Canales and his crew can make it work.

Stroud was my top choice and if I remember correctly he was the most popular on the polls here. I thought he had highest floor due being the best pure passer. Young did seem like the QB teams would regret passing up due to his “magic” and clutch gene, plus most analysts had him as QB1. AR was the 3rd option with the crazy high ceiling but highest chance of busting. 

I’m definitely intrigued to see what Bryce can do if we actually put some protection, weapons, and solid coaching around him. I’m not writing him off yet and I’m also not overly attached to him or anyone on this roster. 

[OldhamA]

18 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'd just have my clients take it beforehand so that I know what the results are gonna be. If the results will be beneficial for them have them take it. If not, don't. Just like they already do with all the combine workouts.

I'd have my clients take every test and perform every drill.

The NFL isn't a place where you go to hide. If you're worried about a slow 40 time etc and opt not to run then you're going to get eaten alive in the pros. 

[Martin]

14 hours ago, rayzor said:

I think it was a perfect storm of misconception made by a couple who happened to be the owners of the team. They weren't just looking for the face of the franchise. They were looking for the voice and they were looking/hoping for someone who sounded like they did.

I really think they were looking for someone who wouldn't just win games, but who would win the hearts of the market they were try appeal to who had the money. They were looking to make the typical middle /upper-middle class fan comfortable so, between the two top prospects I think they didn't rely on talent, but marketable personality.

Tepper from the beginning has tried his best to get media attention to the team he bought. Trying to make the biggest splash possible. He didn't want the best team. He wanted the most hyped team. The most marketable team.

Just my opinion and I could be totally wrong, but I think that he and his wife WANTED Bryce to be the best prospect so they believed it and sold everyone else on it...or just flat out pushed it on people who wanted to please the boss and his wife.

 Bryce was the well-mannered polite kid you could take to your grandma and who would comment on just how well-spoken and well-mannered he was.

I think the kid has talent and he might still become a good QB. I hope he is. But I really do believe that he fit the personality mold the teppers were wanting for the face/voice of their team.

Completely disagree (which is ok) that Tepper sold Young to the org. Fitt loved him for years and it has been reported over and over that the whole org was sold on him. But I agree that Tepper was probably ecstatic that his preferred face of the franchise was the same player pushed by the GM and coach.

[WhoKnows]

17 hours ago, Shotgun said:

One thing is for sure, I would never use a high pick on a QB that didn't throw at the combine.    

 

17 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

or was weird about his weight

Don’t worry boys, we took care of that temptation all together this year. We will not mess up a high pick on a QB, guaranteed.

Man, I feel way better knowing we won’t screw up again!

[rayzor]

6 minutes ago, Martin said:

Completely disagree (which is ok) that Tepper sold Young to the org. Fitt loved him for years and it has been reported over and over that the whole org was sold on him. But I agree that Tepper was probably ecstatic that his preferred face of the franchise was the same player pushed by the GM and coach.

That could be and probably was, but even so I'm sure it was an easy sell to the teppers.

I'm not sold that Reich was sold on BY, maybe he was, but considering the majority of work he had done with QBs was older established vets I'm not sure he knew much about how to develop a QB or what to look for.

Really not a great fit for what we were trying to do on many levels.

I think Canales is much better suited for developing QBs or really any position. Considering his early passion/focus was trying to get a training center going, it wouldn't surprise me to see early mini-camps taking that kind of direction. Have everyone work on shoring up fundamentals.

[Johnstonny]

17 hours ago, Shotgun said:

One thing is for sure, I would never use a high pick on a QB that didn't throw at the combine.    

QB has always been a crap shoot.... we just got crapped on.... But yea... if you're a QB and don't throw at the combine... big red flare to me...

 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

I'd have my clients take every test and perform every drill.

The NFL isn't a place where you go to hide. If you're worried about a slow 40 time etc and opt not to run then you're going to get eaten alive in the pros. 

Plenty of guys who have run subpar 40s have had great careers. The pre-draft process isn't about proving anything, it's about maximizing your draft stock. It's not about fear, it's all about showing your strengths and minimizing your weaknesses.

[WhoKnows]

12 minutes ago, Martin said:

Completely disagree (which is ok) that Tepper sold Young to the org. Fitt loved him for years and it has been reported over and over that the whole org was sold on him. But I agree that Tepper was probably ecstatic that his preferred face of the franchise was the same player pushed by the GM and coach.

I still am amazed that people think Nicole made this pick, SMH. The proof is always the one picture of her hugging Bryce. They completely ignore the fact that she obviously got close to Stroud enough that he was even quoted calling her Mama Tepp.

You are correct. Fitterer said Young was his top QB the year before and basically said he never changed. We also had multiple reports that Fitt and Reich had a love in where they told each other who they liked best before the process and after and they both agreed on Young. Ignoring the fact that there were articles about us loving every prospect, I’m still shocked that with Fitterer saying he was on Young way early and the hundreds of years of NFL QB/coaching experience that people think Tepper and his wife overruled everyone.

We fuged up, simple as that and if our vet coaches let Nicole Tepper make the decision, that’s a bunch of scared ball less boys and we needed a change. Let’s hope Morgan and Canales aren’t more of the same.

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

I'd have my clients take every test and perform every drill.

The NFL isn't a place where you go to hide. If you're worried about a slow 40 time etc and opt not to run then you're going to get eaten alive in the pros. 

No you wouldn’t. You’d be a terrible agent if you let a top pick expose any issues. Young’s agent did everything correctly because he was pretty much the consensus number 1 pick. Stroud had the rumors to quell so performing at the combine was smart as well. If you had Young as a client and let him throw next to the other 3 (who threw because they absolutely were competing), you would have exposed him. Just because we fuged up doesn’t mean Young’s agent did anything wrong.

[thunderraiden]

20 hours ago, rayzor said:

Yep. Most important thing to remember when thinking about Tepper is, he's just a dumb football fan (like most of us in here) that bought a team.

We think we know what we're talking about, like we're experts and occasionally one or two of us might get something right and we think that means we know what we're talking about...and that's perfectly ok because we don't own a team.

Tepper is what happens when a fan owns a team.

He's worst than a dumb football fan, he's a dumb STEELERS football fan. Thats just as bad as a dumb Cowboys fan.

[CPF4LIFE]

Basically telling everyone else not to get suckered like the panthers.