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Since Richardson isn't trying too spend on the team do we get a discount as fans?


koolkatluke

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Most of the people on this board are ridiculous. Let's look at the players that are gone:

Jake....everyone wanted him gone during last season.

Kemo...over half said he was never worth it. And, now he is having trouble recovering from a major achilles tear.

Diggs...solid player that is now one year older and slower. We have great back-up LB's that are more athletic. No big loss here.

Brayton...a decent and solid player. I woudl like hom back, but I have no idea the length and guaranteed money he is asking for. We can easily replace his production.

Johnson...overpriced back-up that NEVER added much.

Lewis....decent against the pass, but a liability against the run. Half of the people on here have been calling for him to not be the starter for the past two years.

Peppers...would like to have had him back. But, there is no way we should have paid him the way Chicago did.

We have young and talented guys now....and this is a young man's game. Leonard, Tyler, Irvin are all jsut as good if not better than Lewis.

We have cut alot of dead wood contracts. The team next year will be just as good. And, whent he cap is re-instated, we will be one of the teams ready to be major players when all of these 1 yr RFA's hit the UFA market.

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Why are people so worried about how much they're spending in the first place? How many of these March "FA winners" have actually won a Superbowl in recent years anyway?

yea... and our way has worked like a charm. sign other teams team's scrubs and vet's on their last tour, then cross your fingers and hope you get lucky.

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Such naivety!

When you are a supposed contender you do not not experiment with young guys who have just joined your team, rather you let the vets who got you into this position play. Now what happened, was that these vets got injured and allowed these young guys to play and low and behold they played just as well. They did not start because we thought the existing team was strong enough to get into the post season.

Why were most of the DTs 2nd or 3rd string elsewhere? Get your facts right mate.

Tyler started all 16 games in 2007 for KC, then saw them switch to a 3-4 which completely ruined his chances for them. He still started 6 games in 2009 but he clearly was not cut out for the 3-4, so bringing him back to a 4-3 front and he plays much better.

Leonard finished the 2008 season as starter for the Browns and wa slated to start, but due to getting into an arguement with Mangini he was sent packing. He looked the genuine article in the limited time he had here.

Regarding the compensation. How could the Ravens get a dominant #1 receiver for 3rd and 4th picks, how did the Pats get a franchise QB with a 6th rounder, how did we get a great contributor in Harris for a 6th? People need to stop looking at where people were drafted and the compensation that were given up in trades, as at the end of the day it's teh performance that is ll important.

However, since you asked. We got Leonard for little compensation because he got in an arguement with Mangini. We got Tyler because he was under performing due to being in the wrong system. Believe it or not, not all teams play the same way and there are countless examples of where one guy moves into a new scheme and is rejuvenated. He need teh quicker more explosive guys, the Browns and Chiefs need the stronger more stout run defenders. Starting to get the picture?

Idiot. Find me one person who has claimed that we are now a much better team. Honestly. Right now. Find me someone who said, flat out that we are a better team and that we are now Superbowl contenders. I will give you the rest of this evening to scour the forum to find just one example.

The fact is, all the replacements showed ability and, at worst, comparable performance at a MUCH lower cost. What most people are excited about is that we have a clean slate and now old guys who are vastly over paid. Now we can focus on bringing our own guys through into the lineup and rewarding teh guys who prove themselves, not the ones who were overpaid out of necessity.

You have come on trying to be the macho man, but almost all people who are intruiged about the FO now are the ones who are trying to calm the naysayers down by pointing out the FO has not even looked into free agents yet. So, for now, we have our potential replacements, but things could change dramatically.

For the record it is often the cheap guys you get ffrom free agency that tend to be the big pickups. Not many players without flaws hit free agency, so why on Earth would you overpay for them. We have done that in the past and not once has it genuinely worked out for us and we often have to end up replacing them 1-3 years down the line.

Look at it from a distance. Right now we have a home grown roster that we can mould into a genuine system and scheme that is self sufficient. We have most of the players in place, so why the alarm? We have lost 6 starters in Brayton, Pep, Vincent, Moose, Lewis & Diggs. That is the kind of turnover that most teams deal with year in year out, howwever for us its rare as we always try to keep our starters, no matter how old or replacable they are.

I am not as optimistic as you are at this point and want to wait until June before I decide whether things are better or not. You also need to include guys like Thomas who started several games. Kemo who started for years, Jake who started for forever including last year, Rhys who while specialized kicked off, Johnson who started several games, as well as some others who are tendered but we could ose in the future like Marshall. The bottom line is that of the 11 starters on defense last year we have already cut 5 and potentially could lose more. I also think that you are way underestimating the negative impact dumping our veterans will have in the locker room and the field. What would have happened with Smith and Lucas if Moose hadn't intervened and helped smooth things out.

And for what it worth we got rid of several guys who were older but not overpaid. With the exception of Peppers and Jake, the other guys you mentioned were actually pretty cheap. For example starting DTs make as much or more than Lewis and Kemo were projected to make. Brayton and Moose were surely cheap and wanted to play here.

I will wait to see what happens, but I am sorry if I don't agree with your unbridled enthusiasm. I think the euphoria about getting rid of Jake and not paying Peppers has clouded people perspective. We have a bunch of holes right now and little depth. I will wait until I see what we do to pick up some guys in FA and the draft, before I start drinking the koolaid. Based simply on the results so far which I readily admit are incomplete, we are much worse off than we were at this point last year.

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yea... and our way has worked like a charm. sign other teams team's scrubs and vet's on their last tour, then cross your fingers and hope you get lucky.

The biggest FA splash the Panthers have ever made in the John Fox era, was signing Keyshawn Johnson. Fox had one of his worst seasons that year, even though KJ had almost a 1000yd season. The Redskins have been spending like mad men for years on FA's and they rarely even make the play offs. Spending big money in the off season doesn't guarantee you anything.

Besides that, this is not exactly a loaded FA class in the first place. Just about all the good ones either get tendered so that you have to give up draft picks, which the Panthers can't afford to do, or they are grossly overpaid like Peppers was this year and Haynesworth was last year. It's really not worth it when you can get good young players in the draft that you don't have to break the bank for.

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How about food/drink/seat prices are directly proportional to team wins. You get a 10% discount on original price for all of the above for every loss. 10 win teams don't make the playoffs so by the time you get there you will have a free ticket/food/drinks.

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Panthers did what had to be done and probably did it a year later than they should have.

It's a tough business.

I'm a season ticket holder too....the 2010 team on the field will be competitive, that's all I ask. It would be great to be a SuperBowl contender every year, but, it does not happen for many teams.

If anything, the closeness to Delhomme probably hurt the FO's objectivity for his performance on the field. Delhomme, by all accounts a great person, but, to play in the NFL, at that salary, he also has to be a competent field general, be it because of his elbow or whatever, he hasn't been. The brain trust had a chance to draft a replacement, they didn't.

Here we are. Same with Peppers.

As for the defense, well, the way I see it, we didn't win a Superbowl with that group, so, given the non-salary cap, clean house.

The Panthers had their window of opportunity, and it closed on them.

I suspect, if Richardson is still here, a new coach, Cowher or otherwise will be calling the shots in 2011.

Could be worse, I could be a season ticket holder for the Raiders or the Lions.

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Maybe it's me but I thought we were closer to a retooling team then a rebuilding team.

I'm just saying in the situation we are in you really can't build threw the draft. We don't have the picks. Plus the position that are holes don't need another rookie or young player. They need a vet who can play right away.

You can't draft a kid in the 2nd round and expect him too replace Moose production and leadership. We need a WR who can play now not 3 years from now.

We only have 3 DE on the roster all are young. Are we going to draft another one? Where is the vet who can sniff out a screen or make line calls? The only person we are looking at SUCKS BALLS and is older then the guys we are letting go.

I don't know what you think "but" Anderson and Connor can't carrie Diggs jock strap Right now. Anderson isn't as big or as smart as Diggs and Connor couldn't cover a slug he is slow as hell and horrible in coverage. Diggs was a good Pass rusher and made alot of plays that people didn't notice.

AGAIN I'm not saying spend crazy money but why couldn't we bring in Kampman for a visit it not like we didn't lose most of our pass rushing ability. Why not bring in a FA WR you are not going too fill our need for this position just in the draft. The more holes we can atleast half way fill in FA the less we have too Draft. Where we are not playing with a full deck.

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I am not as optimistic as you are at this point and want to wait until June before I decide whether things are better or not. You also need to include guys like Thomas who started several games. Kemo who started for years, Jake who started for forever including last year, Rhys who while specialized kicked off, Johnson who started several games, as well as some others who are tendered but we could ose in the future like Marshall. The bottom line is that of the 11 starters on defense last year we have already cut 5 and potentially could lose more. I also think that you are way underestimating the negative impact dumping our veterans will have in the locker room and the field. What would have happened with Smith and Lucas if Moose hadn't intervened and helped smooth things out.

And for what it worth we got rid of several guys who were older but not overpaid. With the exception of Peppers and Jake, the other guys you mentioned were actually pretty cheap. For example starting DTs make as much or more than Lewis and Kemo were projected to make. Brayton and Moose were surely cheap and wanted to play here.

I will wait to see what happens, but I am sorry if I don't agree with your unbridled enthusiasm. I think the euphoria about getting rid of Jake and not paying Peppers has clouded people perspective. We have a bunch of holes right now and little depth. I will wait until I see what we do to pick up some guys in FA and the draft, before I start drinking the koolaid. Based simply on the results so far which I readily admit are incomplete, we are much worse off than we were at this point last year.

What the hell, man!? You're supposed to be the eternal optimisit!

I agree with you though sadly. We have few draft picks and alot of important positions to fill.

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How about food/drink/seat prices are directly proportional to team wins. You get a 10% discount on original price for all of the above for every loss. 10 win teams don't make the playoffs so by the time you get there you will have a free ticket/food/drinks.

Seriously?

You only spend money on the team you support if they win?

That is genuinely pathetic. If that is not the epitome of a bandwagon fan then I do not know what is...

For the last 8 years or so we have not finished worse than 7 wins, what right as fans do we have to demand more? I would support this team no matter how many wins they tally up, because I support the way it is run and I support the persona they give out. I would hate to support teams who constantly put out players like Pacman and Matt Jones, as you are supporting people who do not appreciate the opportunity they have been given.

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What the hell, man!? You're supposed to be the eternal optimisit!

I agree with you though sadly. We have few draft picks and alot of important positions to fill.

I will likely rebound once I get over the initial surprise especially if we sign a few guys and have a good draft. I just can't remember a time in our short history where we have dumped so many of our vets. :confused:

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