Panthers current Free Agents

[jayboogieman]

22 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

then we have to sign him for 18ish per

That's part of the desire of having QBs on rookie contracts.

Edited February 15 by jayboogieman

[rayzor]

32 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

then we have to sign him for 18ish per

how much is burns wanting? 

who would we benefit more from.

i'm not crazy about throwing big money at any one player, but this is probably the only exception i would make. 

if the organization is set on bryce being the guy, then we need to make sure that he's got the best chances possible to succeed. if we hadn't traded moore, we'd probably be paying him a couple more a year than that. 

[WarPanthers89]

17 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I get all that but it would be nice for once to go the home grown route instead of going for a quick expensive fix.  I just wish we would do a rebuild the right way for once.

 

Sure he is a good wr but I think bryce needs a speedster not another big body a la mingo.  

Very good point. Honestly I wouldn’t mind spending big on him or someone else like Hollywood Brown so we could be free to draft BPA WR or O line with picks 2-4. At this point we have to spend some major capital on offense but I agree with you we need to do a proper re build. Part of that does need to include spending some money on a younger proven WR to pair with Young so that we can properly evaluate him. WR’s like we had last year he does not stand a chance 

[UNCrules2187]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I get all that but it would be nice for once to go the home grown route instead of going for a quick expensive fix.  I just wish we would do a rebuild the right way for once.

 

Sure he is a good wr but I think bryce needs a speedster not another big body a la mingo.  

We tried the homegrown route with WRs many times and the only real one we hit on since Smitty we traded away.

Look at all the WR busts or nonfactors we've drafted in the first 3 rounds since we hit on Smitty (leaving out Mingo because it's too early to tell but early returns were pretty meh):

• Terrace Marshall (2nd round)
• Curtis Samuel (2nd round)
• Devin Funchess (2nd round)
• Kelvin Benjamin (1st round)
• Brandon LaFell (3rd round)
• Armanti Edwards (3rd round)
• Dwyane Jarrett (2nd round)
• Keary Colbert (2nd round) 

[RumHam]

luvu and gruger. everyone else, bye. well maybe blackshear keep.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, UNCrules2187 said:

We tried the homegrown route with WRs many times and the only real one we hit on since Smitty we traded away.

Look at all the WR busts or nonfactors we've drafted in the first 3 rounds since we hit on Smitty (leaving out Mingo because it's too early to tell but early returns were pretty meh):

• Terrace Marshall (2nd round)
• Curtis Samuel (2nd round)
• Devin Funchess (2nd round)
• Kelvin Benjamin (1st round)
• Brandon LaFell (3rd round)
• Armanti Edwards (3rd round)
• Dwyane Jarrett (2nd round)
• Keary Colbert (2nd round) 

we have new leadership, its not some crazy curse that stops us from drafting good wrs.  We have to trust the front office.  

[Aussie Tank]

Bears just released Cody Whitehair is try bring him in 

[Leeroy Jenkins Ph.D.]

2 hours ago, UNCrules2187 said:

We tried the homegrown route with WRs many times and the only real one we hit on since Smitty we traded away.

Look at all the WR busts or nonfactors we've drafted in the first 3 rounds since we hit on Smitty (leaving out Mingo because it's too early to tell but early returns were pretty meh):

• Terrace Marshall (2nd round)
• Curtis Samuel (2nd round)
• Devin Funchess (2nd round)
• Kelvin Benjamin (1st round)
• Brandon LaFell (3rd round)
• Armanti Edwards (3rd round)
• Dwyane Jarrett (2nd round)
• Keary Colbert (2nd round) 

When you lay it out like that, it is so very painful. 

[Evil Hurney]

Already Back

• TE - Stephen Sullivan (RFA) Snap Percentage (14.80) - PFF Grade 60.9
• DT - Nick Thurman (ERFA) Snap Percentage (34.79) - PFF Grade 63.4
• DE - LaBryan Ray (ERFA) Snap Percentage (33.65) - PFF Grade 54.6

Expecting Back

• RB - Raheem Blackshear  (ERFA) Snap Percentage (4.44) - PFF Grade 63.7 (ERFA can be brought back for a non-guaranteed league minimum contract)
• LOLB - Brian Burns (UFA) Snap Percentage (77.16) - PFF Grade 74.1 (Likely tagged, too important/valuable to let walk)

Hope to Re-sign

• ILB - Frankie Luvu (UFA) Snap Percentage (93.84) - PFF Grade 78.5 (Luvu is exactly the kind of dawg Dan Morgan is talking about ... unfortunately he may have made himself too expensive for the team to keep)
• FS - Sam Franklin JR (UFA) Snap Percentage (27.39) - PFF Grade 58.0 (ST stud and can start in a pinch)

Intrigued by a possible re-sign

• WR - Ihmir Smith-Marsette (RFA) Snap Percentage (10.70) - PFF Grade 63.6 (RFA would be at least $2.8M so it would likely need to be a multi-year deal as that kind of money for 1 season is better spent on a rent-a-vet WR).
• NB - Troy Hill (UFA) Snap Percentage (46.82) - PFF Grade 62.4 (Seemed like a good system fit, short term deal)

Not a priority

• WR - DJ Chark JR (UFA) - Snap Percentage (67.10) - PFF Grade 60.0 (chemistry did improve down the stretch, but would rather use the limited cap on another option at WR)
• RG - Gabe Jackson (UFA) Snap Percentage (16.88) - PFF Grade 58.1
• WR - Laviska Shenault JR (UFA) Snap Percentage (8.01) - PFF Grade 67.4 (Replaced by Smith-Marsette down the stretch)
• C - Justin McCray (UFA) Snap Percentage (6.70) - PFF Grade 41.0
• FB - Giovanni Ricci (RFA) Snap Percentage (1.04) - PFF Grade 50.9 (too expensive to tender, maybe for vet min)
• RT - David Sharpe (UFA) Snap Percentage (0.09)  - PFF Grade 60.0
• DE - Deshawn Williams (UFA) Snap Percentage (42.09) - PFF Grade 50.0
• CB - CJ Henderson (UFA) Snap Percentage (38.58) - PFF Grade 45.4 (intrigued, but likely too expensive)
• ILB - Kamu Grugier-Hill (UFA) Snap Percentage (38.20) - PFF Grade 48.6 (okay, but would like to get younger)
• ILB - Deion Jones (UFA) Snap Percentage (29.67) - PFF Grade 67.9 (okay, but would like to get younger)
• NB - Jeremy Chinn (UFA) Snap Percentage (27.11) - PFF Grade 57.7 (not a scheme fit)
• ROLB - Yetur Gross-Matos (UFA) Snap Percentage (44.17) - PFF Grade 65.4 (Got better as the season went on but is probably better suited a team that uses 4 DL as its base)
• LOLB - Marquis Haynes SR (UFA) Snap Percentage (13.46) - PFF Grade 71.9 (might be back on a short term deal)
• CB - Shaquill Griffin (UFA) Snap Percentage (7.30) - PFF Grade 67.0 (intrigued, but limited sample size)
• DE - Chris Wormley (UFA) Snap Percentage (4.36) - PFF Grade 44.3
• ILB - Tae Davis (UFA) Snap Percentage (0.00/32.28 ST) - PFF Grade 61.6
• DE - Henry Anderson (UFA) Snap Percentage (0.00) - PFF Grade -None

[Basbear]

19 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Bears just released Cody Whitehair is try bring him in 

Last I heard about him his back was making him think of retiring, 

[Aussie Tank]

17 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Last I heard about him his back was making him think of retiring, 

True that’s poo 

[L-TownCat]

Luvu and a whole bunch of scraps.  God we suck.

[SCO96]

4 hours ago, UNCrules2187 said:

We tried the homegrown route with WRs many times and the only real one we hit on since Smitty we traded away.

Look at all the WR busts or nonfactors we've drafted in the first 3 rounds since we hit on Smitty (leaving out Mingo because it's too early to tell but early returns were pretty meh):

• Terrace Marshall (2nd round)
• Curtis Samuel (2nd round)
• Devin Funchess (2nd round)
• Kelvin Benjamin (1st round)
• Brandon LaFell (3rd round)
• Armanti Edwards (3rd round)
• Dwyane Jarrett (2nd round)
• Keary Colbert (2nd round) 

The above list of players is an example of why I have no faith in the Panther scouting department. That's a lot of WRs to miss on, especially that high in the draft (rounds 1-3). Our TE selections haven't been any better. The two best TEs to play for our organization (Wesley Walls and Greg Olsen) were not drafted by the Panthers. Outside of those 2 guys, I can't think of another TE drafted by the Panther who ever became an impact player. DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart were good running backs. How many other good RB's have we drafted besides those two and CMC? NOTE: Deshawn Foster gets an honorable shout out, but injuries derailed his promising career.

For years I've wondered if our poor drafts in general are due to poor talent evaluation from the scouts. I'd love to see how our draft board compares to the other teams around the NFL. I'm hoping things will improve with Dan Morgan as the GM. I think a lot of former players are better at talent evaluation when they work in the front office (in any capacity).

 

 

Edited February 16 by SCO96

[TheSpecialJuan]

4 hours ago, Evil Hurney said:

Already Back

• TE - Stephen Sullivan (RFA) Snap Percentage (14.80) - PFF Grade 60.9
• DT - Nick Thurman (ERFA) Snap Percentage (34.79) - PFF Grade 63.4
• DE - LaBryan Ray (ERFA) Snap Percentage (33.65) - PFF Grade 54.6

Expecting Back

• RB - Raheem Blackshear  (ERFA) Snap Percentage (4.44) - PFF Grade 63.7 (ERFA can be brought back for a non-guaranteed league minimum contract)
• LOLB - Brian Burns (UFA) Snap Percentage (77.16) - PFF Grade 74.1 (Likely tagged, too important/valuable to let walk)

Hope to Re-sign

• ILB - Frankie Luvu (UFA) Snap Percentage (93.84) - PFF Grade 78.5 (Luvu is exactly the kind of dawg Dan Morgan is talking about ... unfortunately he may have made himself too expensive for the team to keep)
• FS - Sam Franklin JR (UFA) Snap Percentage (27.39) - PFF Grade 58.0 (ST stud and can start in a pinch)

Intrigued by a possible re-sign

• WR - Ihmir Smith-Marsette (RFA) Snap Percentage (10.70) - PFF Grade 63.6 (RFA would be at least $2.8M so it would likely need to be a multi-year deal as that kind of money for 1 season is better spent on a rent-a-vet WR).
• NB - Troy Hill (UFA) Snap Percentage (46.82) - PFF Grade 62.4 (Seemed like a good system fit, short term deal)

Not a priority

• WR - DJ Chark JR (UFA) - Snap Percentage (67.10) - PFF Grade 60.0 (chemistry did improve down the stretch, but would rather use the limited cap on another option at WR)
• RG - Gabe Jackson (UFA) Snap Percentage (16.88) - PFF Grade 58.1
• WR - Laviska Shenault JR (UFA) Snap Percentage (8.01) - PFF Grade 67.4 (Replaced by Smith-Marsette down the stretch)
• C - Justin McCray (UFA) Snap Percentage (6.70) - PFF Grade 41.0
• FB - Giovanni Ricci (RFA) Snap Percentage (1.04) - PFF Grade 50.9 (too expensive to tender, maybe for vet min)
• RT - David Sharpe (UFA) Snap Percentage (0.09)  - PFF Grade 60.0
• DE - Deshawn Williams (UFA) Snap Percentage (42.09) - PFF Grade 50.0
• CB - CJ Henderson (UFA) Snap Percentage (38.58) - PFF Grade 45.4 (intrigued, but likely too expensive)
• ILB - Kamu Grugier-Hill (UFA) Snap Percentage (38.20) - PFF Grade 48.6 (okay, but would like to get younger)
• ILB - Deion Jones (UFA) Snap Percentage (29.67) - PFF Grade 67.9 (okay, but would like to get younger)
• NB - Jeremy Chinn (UFA) Snap Percentage (27.11) - PFF Grade 57.7 (not a scheme fit)
• ROLB - Yetur Gross-Matos (UFA) Snap Percentage (44.17) - PFF Grade 65.4 (Got better as the season went on but is probably better suited a team that uses 4 DL as its base)
• LOLB - Marquis Haynes SR (UFA) Snap Percentage (13.46) - PFF Grade 71.9 (might be back on a short term deal)
• CB - Shaquill Griffin (UFA) Snap Percentage (7.30) - PFF Grade 67.0 (intrigued, but limited sample size)
• DE - Chris Wormley (UFA) Snap Percentage (4.36) - PFF Grade 44.3
• ILB - Tae Davis (UFA) Snap Percentage (0.00/32.28 ST) - PFF Grade 61.6
• DE - Henry Anderson (UFA) Snap Percentage (0.00) - PFF Grade -None

nice work