How about Steve Wilkes?

[Rocky Davis]

6 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I agree that they played well.  Held the best qb in the league to 25 points in five qtrs, and one td was caused by a muffed punt.  

I disagree that they don't make it without him.  They almost made it last year but got screwed at the qb position.  

I agree Wilks called a great 3.5 quarters - unfortunately the game is 4 quarters and crazy things like that misplayed/muffed punt played a part in the Chiefs being able to come back.

I wholeheartedly agree that the 49ers defense was the most talented in the NFL this year and *if* Ryans was back they would have won that Super Bowl.  The personnel on this years 49ers defense was better than last year's.  The injuries were unfortunate, especially to Greenlaw - but I still cannot for the life of me figure out why he went zone - whether it be cloud, cover 2, cover 0.  They were doing what they needed to do to beat the Chiefs:  keep Kelce in check, stuff Pacheco, and keep Mahomes in the pocket.  They abandoned it late in the 3rd quarter, into the 4th and OT. 

Wilks and the D aren't the only reason SF lost that game, but I guarantee you there were players on the 49ers D who didn't think Wilks was the right guy along with Shanahan and most likely the 49ers FO.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

Guys ... Wilks did above average here then went to a stacked as fug D and had success. He's the best coach of all time.

[MechaZain]

16 hours ago, WarHeel said:

Why’s that? He got fired here and went to the Super Bowl the next year. You could say people wanting to get rid of him didn’t age well.
 

This isn’t the flex you think it is.

They were the #1 defense in the league when he came onboard. This isn't the flex you think it is. 

[WarHeel]

11 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

They were the #1 defense in the league when he came onboard. This isn't the flex you think it is. 

So you’re saying he brought a very bad situation to an above average situation in Carolina, and then maintained greatness in SanFran? 

[ForJimmy]

8 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

So you’re saying he brought a very bad situation to an above average situation in Carolina, and then maintained greatness in SanFran? 

Now do the Cardinals when he was HC and Missouri when he was DC or do these not count? Also the Niners had a drop off in defense despite adding Chase Young midseason and then he was fired after one season….

[WarHeel]

33 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Now do the Cardinals when he was HC and Missouri when he was DC or do these not count? Also the Niners had a drop off in defense despite adding Chase Young midseason and then he was fired after one season….

Why do you think Chase Young was traded so willingly? 
 

Also, Arizona has been an ass organization for quite some time. Much like Carolina, one guy isn’t going to come in and clean everything up in one season. 

[ForJimmy]

13 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

Why do you think Chase Young was traded so willingly? 
 

Also, Arizona has been an ass organization for quite some time. Much like Carolina, one guy isn’t going to come in and clean everything up in one season. 

I mean WIlks put Young in as a starter after they traded a 3rd round pick to rent him for half a year.  He got plenty of playing time on that roster.  Ryans didn't have him last year and the defense played better.  

He brought Carolina to "above average" but made Arizona go dead last?  Hmm it's not adding up.  Wilks is a great person, a decent DC, and just not that good of a HC.  

[JawnyBlaze]

2 hours ago, MechaZain said:

They were the #1 defense in the league when he came onboard. This isn't the flex you think it is. 

#1 in points and yards the previous year, #3 and 8 under Wilks. Like I said before, every defense he takes over gets worse. 

[WarHeel]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

I mean WIlks put Young in as a starter after they traded a 3rd round pick to rent him for half a year.  He got plenty of playing time on that roster.  Ryans didn't have him last year and the defense played better.  

He brought Carolina to "above average" but made Arizona go dead last?  Hmm it's not adding up.  Wilks is a great person, a decent DC, and just not that good of a HC.  

You can harp on a bad situation he was put into 6 years ago for one season. I’ll factor in the entire equation.
 

He was successful as a positions coach here. He was successful as a DC here. He was successful as an interim HC here. He was successful as a DC with SF. 

[JawnyBlaze]

23 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

You can harp on a bad situation he was put into 6 years ago for one season. I’ll factor in the entire equation.
 

He was successful as a positions coach here. He was successful as a DC here. He was successful as an interim HC here. He was successful as a DC with SF. 

You have an interesting definition of successful. “Made every defense he coordinated worse” doesn’t fit my definition. “Was marginally better than Rhule” doesn’t either. 

Edited February 15 by JawnyBlaze

[WarHeel]

1 hour ago, JawnyBlaze said:

You have an interesting definition of successful. “Made every defense he coordinated worse” doesn’t fit my definition. “Was marginally better than Rhule” doesn’t either. 

Well if you’re considering the 9ers defense was the best in the league the year prior to his arrival then he would have to replicate best in the league to not see a drop off. So that doesn’t statistically provide any relevance to the discussion and just comes across as nitpicky. 

[kungfoodude]

Chase Young sucks, FWIW.

[WarHeel]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Chase Young sucks, FWIW.

Yeah that argument wasn’t holding any water regarding Wilks. Not sure why people hate the guy. I think there are better DCs and HCs but he’s far from what people make him out to be. 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

Yeah that argument wasn’t holding any water regarding Wilks. Not sure why people hate the guy. I think there are better DCs and HCs but he’s far from what people make him out to be. 

He was a downgrade from Saleh and Ryans but it was a small step. 

IMO, he is the scapegoat for Shanahan's failures.