Stroud defends Young

[Khaki Lackey]

31 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

. I think we can all agree Ickey was a victim of the scheme

Agree. I also think Ickey is a victim of three different schemes/coaching staffs in three years. (counting his last year at NCSU) He's also had two seasons of garbage next to him except for the handful of games where Christiansen was healthy and was serviceable.

[frankw]

Of course he did. He's extending a lifeline to his good friend and also a fellow athlete. He's a good person and also exhibits striking leadership ability that absolutely blows those foolish pre-draft notions out of the water.

But make no mistake. He knows the Panthers fuged up. He wouldn't have worn that Kobe Bryant Hornets shirt otherwise. And even in taking the high road like this he is still rubbing the Tepper's noses in it. Hey good for him.

[ForJimmy]

18 minutes ago, frankw said:

Of course he did. He's extending a lifeline to his good friend and also a fellow athlete. He's a good person and also exhibits striking leadership ability that absolutely blows those foolish pre-draft notions out of the water.

But make no mistake. He knows the Panthers fuged up. He wouldn't have worn that Kobe Bryant Hornets shirt otherwise. And even in taking the high road like this he is still rubbing the Tepper's noses in it. Hey good for him.

They will have each other’s back no doubt. Young was hyping up Stroud pre draft talking about his leadership skills and how competitive he is. He was also thrilled to see his friend go number 2. It is comical though that Stroud is flat out stating his GM put him in a better position and people still want to argue it. I mean it’s literally the guy in that situation talking vs us fans posting online. 

[frankw]

7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

They will have each other’s back no doubt. Young was hyping up Stroud pre draft talking about his leadership skills and how competitive he is. He was also thrilled to see his friend go number 2. It is comical though that Stroud is flat out stating his GM put him in a better position and people still want to argue it. I mean it’s literally the guy in that situation talking vs us fans posting online. 

As far as I've seen one maybe two people still held a somewhat favorable opinion of Scott Fitterer's roster building ability before he was finally relieved of his duties.

In the end all of the what if scenarios about what we could done differently or who we could have hired or drafted or signed and even CJ Stroud himself can't change Bryce Young's phsyical build. Bryce needs to live in the weight room this offseason if there is hope. We'll see.

[fanpanther]

I wouldnt expect him to say anything better but beginning of the season everyone felt Young was in a way better situation.  Even looking at records from previous season it seemed the panthers were on the upswing.   

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

As far as I've seen one maybe two people still held a somewhat favorable opinion of Scott Fitterer's roster building ability before he was finally relieved of his duties.

In the end all of the what if scenarios about what we could done differently or who we could have hired or drafted or signed and even CJ Stroud himself can't change Bryce Young's phsyical build. Bryce needs to live in the weight room this offseason if there is hope. We'll see.

His examples were players missing blocks and dropping passes. We need to upgrade those spots regardless to give Young a chance. Even if we draft the next CJ Stroud in 2025, he will appreciate the upgrades on offense. 

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

I wouldnt expect him to say anything better but beginning of the season everyone felt Young was in a way better situation.  Even looking at records from previous season it seemed the panthers were on the upswing.   

True and people thought the Bucs were tanking for Caleb before the season started. Canales and Baker proved that wrong too. Preseason projections are simply educated guesses. 

[Varking]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

True and people thought the Bucs were tanking for Caleb before the season started. Canales and Baker proved that wrong too. Preseason projections are simply educated guesses. 

Agree. And it goes to show the tables could be flipped next year and we end up looking like the better long term spot. A year ago today nobody wanted to be the QB the Texans drafted. Now everyone is like what a great spot that was to go to. A year ago Carolina was the best spot for a QB to go to, and now everyone is like we have no support system here and it's terrible. 

[BrisbanePanther]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Pre-draft I cannot think of anyone that thought Houston was the better situation for a rookie qb

Well if these are the same anyone's who we all think were wrong about Bryce, maybe they were wrong about Houston too. The biggest overlooked market in American sports, so of course everyone got that wrong.

[BrisbanePanther]

1 hour ago, Khaki Lackey said:

Agree. I also think Ickey is a victim of three different schemes/coaching staffs in three years. (counting his last year at NCSU) He's also had two seasons of garbage next to him except for the handful of games where Christiansen was healthy and was serviceable.

I wish Ickey wasn't from NC. Then we'd get people being more honest about how he's been very not good. Who cares about situation. He was picked high enough to be the unstoppable anchor for a decade. Too many excuses for him.

[thebdawg]

3 hours ago, Manna said:

Pre-draft and post draft the media, some players, and fans all raved and told us how great a QB Bryce was. 

I’ve yet to see it. Even if CJ was on this team and we still sucked, he would’ve shown that he belonged. I haven’t seen the intangibles that people were raving about, nor the play making ability. Still waiting. 
 

Go watch the Green Bay game. Not sure what exactly youre waiting on at this point 

[frankw]

7 minutes ago, thebdawg said:

Go watch the Green Bay game. Not sure what exactly youre waiting on at this point 

Maybe he wants to see it more than one game and not against one of the worst performing secondaries in the league. Some people have standards. Wild concept for some here apparently.

Edited February 7 by frankw

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, thebdawg said:

Go watch the Green Bay game. Not sure what exactly youre waiting on at this point 

1 out of 15 are not good odds

[Manna]

16 minutes ago, thebdawg said:

Go watch the Green Bay game. Not sure what exactly youre waiting on at this point 

One good game against a crap defense that made Baker Mayfield look good gave me hope, but he quickly regressed back towards the mean.