David, hi, some questions about this hire

[Ricky Prickles]

56 minutes ago, Call Me James said:

Looks like we're back to copium and trying to convince ourselves Tepper finally did it.

Or we could just remain negative no matter what and end up with your mindset. Tepp is a meddling ass but id rather have some cautious hope than end up doom and gloom like yourself at least.

[electro's horse]

50 minutes ago, Ricky Prickles said:

Or we could just remain negative no matter what and end up with your mindset. Tepp is a meddling ass but id rather have some cautious hope than end up doom and gloom like yourself at least.

okay but that demonstrates a weakness in the way you perceive things and isn't something to be proud of. Optimism, even if you couch it as "cautious," in the face of overwhelming observable evidence and conjecture, could be called delusional in the appropriate clinical setting. 

[Bear Hands]

11 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

okay but that demonstrates a weakness in the way you perceive things and isn't something to be proud of. Optimism, even if you couch it as "cautious," in the face of overwhelming observable evidence and conjecture, could be called delusional in the appropriate clinical setting. 

It's a coaching hire for a football team man...jeez

https://ir.vanderbilt.edu/bitstream/handle/1803/7556/Martinez_thesis_the effects of realistic and unrealistic optimism on coping and performance.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

 

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

It's a coaching hire for a football team man...jeez

https://ir.vanderbilt.edu/bitstream/handle/1803/7556/Martinez_thesis_the effects of realistic and unrealistic optimism on coping and performance.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

 

I’m going to need that dumbed down and summarized please.  Thanks. 

[Bear Hands]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

I’m going to need that dumbed down and summarized please.  Thanks. 

It was more as a joke but for real, there's no problem in being a bit optimistic.  Being a realistic optimist is a thing and totally healthy and has shown to be beneficial.  No doubt this could turn out badly and we should understand that and it be part of our expectations.    

I'd classify writing an open sassy letter on an internet forum to an NFL owner a bit more on the clinically defined side of things compared to a fan of a team saying, "I don't know, I'll be cautiously optimistic" 

 

[Khyber53]

Canales and Morgan, in my opinion, ride out this season with who we have on board. They are here to drag the boat back into harbor to put it in drydock and scrape all the barnacles, paint and rust off of it.

Be prepared for a 2024 season that will make the 2023 season look like it's simpler, dumber twin brother.

Going into 2025, the team will have lost most of its big dollar players to age, free agency or injury. We will have a full-ish slate of picks again, perhaps a couple of compensatory picks and most likely will be at the top of that draft. We'll also have been able to write off the Young pick most likely (unless something miraculous happens) and move on. That might attract a new coaching candidate.

Or, maybe, just maybe, Canales came in, sat down and said that he'd bring that boat in, oversea the tear down and stick around for the rebuild the following season. That is the realistic look at what we have on hand, what we have coming to us and how bad things are currently.

History says we've probably made a major mistake, not because of the coach but because of the owner (we've been down this road enough to say it's historically proven now). 

So, Coach Canales... they let you sit down at the big boy's poker table, gave you one white chip and they'll cover the ante for you. Good luck, man. Those are sharks out there.

 

[electro's horse]

9 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

It's a coaching hire for a football team man...jeez

https://ir.vanderbilt.edu/bitstream/handle/1803/7556/Martinez_thesis_the effects of realistic and unrealistic optimism on coping and performance.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

 

did you read this?

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Originally, we predicted that exam scores would be correlated with the optimism measures. The logic was that if students were more cautiously optimistic, they would receive better grades. However, there were no significant correlations in the data except for an unexpected negative relationship between the second exam and the LOT-R score. This was surprising, because the LOT is a measure of dispositional optimism, so theoretically, lower scores would be indicative of a more pessimistic outlook. The data suggested that this pessimistic outlook was associated with higher exam scores.

 

[Bear Hands]

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

did you read this?

 

Yeah, it's actually quite an interesting read.  Lot's of variables and relevance to what this fanbase is going through haha

[Bear Hands]

Personally, I can be much more on the pessimistic side when it comes to the more life-effecting, tangible stuff, but when it comes to sports and stuff like that, I mean, it really has no overarching effects on me to be a bit excited about hires, signings, etc.  

[KatsAzz]

21 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Hey david. 

I know you read this forum. at least you have one of your clapping seals check it out and report back to you to get the "pulse of the fans" or whatever meaningless corporate catchphrase you use to describe the people that loathe you. 

Congrats on another coaching hire! I know nothing gets you going like making a head coaching change. You done it, what now, six or seven times since buying the team? I lose track. Enjoy this moment; it's your super bowl, and definitely the closest you'll ever get to it. I bet you're planning on going out into your feudal demanse and exercising your right to prima nocte on the first unsuspecting peasant you find, or whatever it is rich perverts like you do for fun. Just a couple questions about the hire. 

Are you going to make him keep Chris Tabor? Everyone knows he's your inside guy and was knifing people behind the scenes. In fact he's likely done it to two coaches, since the end of the Rhule era was akin to the last days in Hitler's bunker. You've been accused of hiring yes men... are you going to make the new head coach keep your little Rasputin? Surely Canales knows about this and asked about. Won't send the best message to the targets for your vodka sodas if you keep Tabor around. 

The Panthers are the only team that requested to interview Canales. Is this because no one else thought he was ready for a head coaching interview? Are we supposed to believe that you are smarter than the rest of the league? I know you really want everyone to think that, and you moved a bunch of zeros and ones around a spreadsheet in a way that made you lots of other numbers in a bank account, and a lot of people equate this to intelligence. Is anyone supposed to trust you right now? 

Canales' offense last year was 20th in points and 23rd in yards last season. That's with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, who the Panthers don't have and won't be able to draft after the Bryce fiasco. Is this what a hot hire looks like? A guy who produced a bottom/average offense? The panthers were 20th in the league in ppg in 2022 and you decided not to bring that coach back. Also you traded away both of the best players from that offense to get a QB that put up the second worst rookie qb season in modern league history. 

Speaking of QBs, I'm sure you are impressed by his work with Baker Mayfield. Lots of people talk about Baker's reclamation, but his stats this year were similar to what they were in 2018 and 2020. Baker has bad years when he's hurt (2021) or when he's on a dumpster fire team like the Browns in 2019 and....your panthers in 2022. Is it a successful reclamation project or a successful hostage extraction. Guess we'll find out! but luckily for Panthers fans, if all goes as well, we'll have a slightly above mediocre offense to cheer for in 2024. Huzzah!

But let's talk about that offense. Baker Mayfield was 8th in the league in play action passes in 2023, and Bryce was 18th. I don't pay for the fancy stats that break down how they did per pass, but I do know Baker played under center, and Bryce...well Bryce was not as much. I also know from tons of film breakdowns that are easy to find on youtube that Bryce struggles with PA from center because he's not able to turn his head away from the line to sell it. He has to peak the entire time because he's too small and will lose the receivers in their routes. Did he address this at all? Did you ask? 

Bucs offense has a TON of weapons. Without pointing fingers, the panthers...don't. In the past you've said Bryce doesn't need wide receivers because he's a point guard. Do you still believe that? Are we going chase some free agents to Carolina? Tee Higgens is probably going to Tennessee to work with a coach that wanted nothing to do with you. Are you going to command under penalty of being fired Dan Morgan to break the bank on Mike Evans, a guy who's played 10 years in the league and is on the wrong side of thirty? A player that Panthers fans all rightly hate? 

How many years did you promise this guy? Panthers need several drafts worth of good players, and by the time you cold realistically get that team in place, Bryce will be in his...what? Third, fourth year? Staring down an extension? So the Panthers never really get to benefit from the biggest advantage of a rookie qb: cost control. Are you going to fire this guy when Bryce is still making you look like an idiot? A dramatically improved Bryce is probably not even league average. Will Bryce be entering the end of his rookie deal with ANOTHER new head coach...if he even survives. 

Oh yeah, protecting Bryce. Bryce was second in the league in sacks last year. Baker, with Canales as OC, with better players at basically every position, was...8th. Am I supposed to believe that a QB smaller than your wife is going to survive long enough to get a San Fran caliber team around him to overcome his deficiencies? 

Any congrats to canales. He's getting life changing, fug you money for a contract he'll likely never see the end of. But don't worry about that DAvid. It just means you get to do your favorite thing; hire coaches to try to prove you're smarter than the rest of the NFL. 

Dave Canales - young, little experience offensive coordinator to head coach

Thomas Brown - young, little experience RB coach to offensive coordinator

Joe Brady - young, college offensive coordinator to offensive coordinator

This time David, it'll work. You'll show all those other idiot owners who the real genius is, and they'll all tell you how cool and neat and respected you are via emails you can read at wherever rich sickos go now that Epstein's island is off line. 

Just some thoughts about questions you could answer next time you deign to speak to us mere mortals. 

 

This rant is way  to long. If Tepper's people actually take time (Which I Doubt) to read  it, I feel sure it will give them a long hard laugh. 

[ForJimmy]

31 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

It was more as a joke but for real, there's no problem in being a bit optimistic.  Being a realistic optimist is a thing and totally healthy and has shown to be beneficial.  No doubt this could turn out badly and we should understand that and it be part of our expectations.    

I'd classify writing an open sassy letter on an internet forum to an NFL owner a bit more on the clinically defined side of things compared to a fan of a team saying, "I don't know, I'll be cautiously optimistic" 

 

Oh I agree. Football isn’t serious. It’s a fun hobby. Part of being a fan is getting overly excited about it. I just never get too vested or take it too personally when they fail to meet expectations. I’m all about wait and see and if it doesn’t work, reset and try again with football. 

[ForJimmy]

42 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

did you read this?

 

Sounds like you are optimistic about being pessimistic. What does it all mean?!?

[mav1234]

I don't agree that Dan Morgan is only here cause nobody else wanted to be. I also doubt that is true of Canales.

The one thing we know about Tepper is how fixated he becomes on people... He has a habit of making decisions before interviews are complete, it feels.

Anyway, whatever. Hard to be excited about this.

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

I also doubt that is true of Canales.

 

no other interview requests.