"Only one year of coordinator experience"

[top dawg]

42 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

His unit wasn’t even good. 
 

they were bottom end of average. 

[electro's horse]

The bucs were 20th in ppg last season. 

Guess what the Panthers were in 2022. 

Edited January 25 by electro's horse

[blueandblackattack]

2 hours ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Current head coaches who had either one year of coordinator experience or less than that:

• Zac Taylor, Bengals (no coordinator experience)
• Kevin Stefanksi, Browns (one year as Vikings OC; had a 3-game interim stint season prior)
• Mike Tomlin, Steelers (one year as Vikings DC prior to landing Steelers HC gig)
• Dan Campbell, Lions (no coordinator experience; 12 game interim HC stint in 2015, six years prior to landing Detroit HC gig)
• Mike McDaniel, Dolphins (one year as 49ers OC, was not playcaller)

This hire ultimately may be a colossal failure, but it's not like experience is a prerequisite to success.

Also Andy Reid went from QB Coach to Head Coach of the Eagles

[ProcessBlue2]

[Samppson]

2 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Would rather have a passionate young coach trying to make a name as a head coach than an old guy just looking for one last paycheck and half ass coaching

Yes, Reich felt like he was looking for an easy gig at the end of his career, I think that may have been Tepper's plan all along, have Reich bring along Thomas Brown then retire... unfortunately, Reich seemed exhausted and done.

[t96]

2 hours ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Current head coaches who had either one year of coordinator experience or less than that:

• Zac Taylor, Bengals (no coordinator experience)
• Kevin Stefanksi, Browns (one year as Vikings OC; had a 3-game interim stint season prior)
• Mike Tomlin, Steelers (one year as Vikings DC prior to landing Steelers HC gig)
• Dan Campbell, Lions (no coordinator experience; 12 game interim HC stint in 2015, six years prior to landing Detroit HC gig)
• Mike McDaniel, Dolphins (one year as 49ers OC, was not playcaller)

This hire ultimately may be a colossal failure, but it's not like experience is a prerequisite to success.

Not disagreeing with your overarching message but these maybe aren't the greatest examples. None have won a SB or come that close yet (pending Campbell) except for Tomlin who became coach of arguably the most stable organization in the league and inherited a SB winning team.

[UNCrules2187]

8 minutes ago, t96 said:

Not disagreeing with your overarching message but these maybe aren't the greatest examples. None have won a SB or come that close yet (pending Campbell) except for Tomlin who became coach of arguably the most stable organization in the league and inherited a SB winning team.

If we're only going to consider SB winning coaches as being successful hires than it's pretty much etched in stone that this hire won't pan out. But Taylor nearly won a SB a couple years back (3 point loss to the Rams).

[Ricky Prickles]

So much negativity towards someone who has not even been on the job yet. Give the dude a chance. We either strike lightning or strike turd but at least we we move one way or the other.

[t96]

45 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

If we're only going to consider SB winning coaches as being successful hires than it's pretty much etched in stone that this hire won't pan out. But Taylor nearly won a SB a couple years back (3 point loss to the Rams).

I mean the ultimate goal is to win a SB, anything else is failure ultimately. Just saying, the coaches you call success stories right now really may not wind up being actual successes. Yet to be seen on all of them except Tomlin but his situation is somewhat different given the contexts -- he took over for a long time successful coach who was retiring not fired due to poor performance, and the stability of the front office remained in tact his whole career. Plus fair to wonder if he'll have success without a Roethlisberger at QB who he inherited. But I digress.

Fair enough on Taylor but I don't see him coming any closer than that going forward, that was their shot.

[BullCityP]

3 hours ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Current head coaches who had either one year of coordinator experience or less than that:

• Zac Taylor, Bengals (no coordinator experience)
• Kevin Stefanksi, Browns (one year as Vikings OC; had a 3-game interim stint season prior)
• Mike Tomlin, Steelers (one year as Vikings DC prior to landing Steelers HC gig)
• Dan Campbell, Lions (no coordinator experience; 12 game interim HC stint in 2015, six years prior to landing Detroit HC gig)
• Mike McDaniel, Dolphins (one year as 49ers OC, was not playcaller)

This hire ultimately may be a colossal failure, but it's not like experience is a prerequisite to success.

And 4 of them were in the PLAYOFFS this year!!

[MHS831]

4 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Would rather have a passionate young coach trying to make a name as a head coach than an old guy just looking for one last paycheck and half ass coaching

Yep.  They would treat it as a "Lifetime Achievement Award."

[UNCrules2187]

2 hours ago, t96 said:

I mean the ultimate goal is to win a SB, anything else is failure ultimately. Just saying, the coaches you call success stories right now really may not wind up being actual successes. Yet to be seen on all of them except Tomlin but his situation is somewhat different given the contexts -- he took over for a long time successful coach who was retiring not fired due to poor performance, and the stability of the front office remained in tact his whole career. Plus fair to wonder if he'll have success without a Roethlisberger at QB who he inherited. But I digress.

Fair enough on Taylor but I don't see him coming any closer than that going forward, that was their shot.

I mean I hear you but that's such a high bar. Even some that are considered amazing HCs have only one SB ring: Tomlin, Harbaugh, McVay, etc. And realistically the only way you're winning multiple SBs as a HC in today's NFL is with an elite/HOF QB. The only active coaches coming into this season with multiple SB wins was Belichick (with Brady) and Andy Reid (with Mahomes). People thought Reid was a choker until he finally won with Mahomes.

[Shocker]

6 hours ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Current head coaches who had either one year of coordinator experience or less than that:

• Zac Taylor, Bengals (no coordinator experience)
• Kevin Stefanksi, Browns (one year as Vikings OC; had a 3-game interim stint season prior)
• Mike Tomlin, Steelers (one year as Vikings DC prior to landing Steelers HC gig)
• Dan Campbell, Lions (no coordinator experience; 12 game interim HC stint in 2015, six years prior to landing Detroit HC gig)
• Mike McDaniel, Dolphins (one year as 49ers OC, was not playcaller)

This hire ultimately may be a colossal failure, but it's not like experience is a prerequisite to success.

Quick do all the ones that failed

[ForJimmy]

6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Is he really even a hot shot? The Bucs were a below average offense. But I guess at the end of the day when you have the opportunity to hire the OC who orchestrated a 9-0 three FG barn burner to beat you and secure a playoff berth you just can't pass that up. 

He took a team that lost the GOAT at QB, inserted Baker and increased the scoring by 11%. Their offense did better in the second half of the season vs first and yes Evero had some success against him but hopefully we retain Evero too. He also was the QB coach Geno’s comeback year and Russ’s best year, worked with Carroll for over a decade. Carroll brought him with him from USC so he must think highly of him. He also has Dungy as a sort of mentor. 
I mean all things considered, we could do a lot worse. Young coordinator starting to gain recognition is really our best route. If Canales looked good again next year it could have been a bidding war.