Joe Person: The Tepper Graveyard

[CRA]

1 minute ago, BIGH2001 said:

Sportsology couldn’t have possibly recommended Morgan if they were actually doing what they were paid to do. Hiring them was a poorly veiled PR move by an owner who s the de facto GM and plans to keep it that way.

yep.  that's why the hiring team was Dave/Nicole/Jim lol Caldwell.....and Sportsology. 

when it's time for the consensus meeting.....well, the consensus is rigged from the jump. 

[Waldo]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

I love how some claimed Caldwell and Frank were BFFs and Morgan and Fitterer were BFFs.  Then the Game of Thrones reporting came out.  Now you got Caldwell helping Morgan get hired out of the rubble.  It has stunk in Carolina for some time.  We needed a clean slate.  Looks to me it's just more of the same. 

at least trainwrecks are entertaining.  That's all we got.  

Yeah the guys who survived the game of thrones and then signed up for another year will deffinatly turn things around. I just can't wait for the knives to turn on them lol. That's all we have as Panthers fans, unwatchable football but juicy staff drama to laugh at.

[Waldo]

5 minutes ago, rayzor said:

i really hope that tepper has been hearing and listening to all of the noise around the league about how his particular management model is seen as a problem and primary reason for his constant failings so far and that he makes a change.

let dan do his job and realize that your job isn't his job. same with the coaching staff.

They just tell him his people are well respected again. Why would they build up their competition? They get great trades, solid castoffs and wins from us. They will never change that unless they are forced to do so. Tepper still thinks those people are helping him vs using him. He is clueless and Dan isn't the guy to turn it over to with Caldwell being his consultant lol

[Waldo]

8 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

Sportsology couldn’t have possibly recommended Morgan if they were actually doing what they were paid to do. Hiring them was a poorly veiled PR move by an owner who s the de facto GM and plans to keep it that way.

Yup. They were used at best and I bet Tepper rolls them out as part of the hire just like he did with the S2 with Young. Tepper only hires people he likes. That is the qualification, sell him or buddy up to him or both.

[panthers55]

If you look at Morgan's body of work before coming here, he helped build both Seattle and the Bills into powerhouses. Then he comes here and we bottom out.  What is the ingredient he had here and not in Seattle and Buffalo??  Tepper.  

So can Morgan learn from the last 3 years and be different going forward? Let's hope so for everyone's sake. In some ways being terrible can be a gift. If you are middle of the pack you tend to look at circumstances or lack of opportunities as the reason for where you are. When you really suck you realize it isn't one play or player but significant problems that need to be reworked.

Number 1 in my book from a coaching point is matching your scheme to the players you have or getting the best players to play the scheme you want. But when Wilks turned us around last year he was simply playing a scheme our players are built for.  Something Reich promptly changed to a spread which is great if your QB gets the ball out quickly and you have good receivers who can find holes or gain separation. Thomas tried to run more but use the same playbook which failed miserably. 

2. Find a creative playcaller and  stop being so predictable that I can figure out what we are going to do. Imagine how easy it is to dissect our offense by an opposing coordinator. Like having Young call off a play and go under center. What are we going to do? Run it? What else? Oh, maybe play action with 9 in the box and throw it to a receiver who should be singled on the outside. Then again if all receivers are in tight to block all you can do is run.

3. Since Young is going to be here, find a coach and OC who can actually build the offense designed for him instead of building an offense and sticking him in there.  Something like what Miami did with Tua.

I could go on but do this and maybe we win some games making it easy to tell Tepper to chill because you got this. I don't think owners need to be making decisions but you have to have confidence in your front office. If he trusts Dan and we get a good coach maybe we win some which helps keep Tepper at bay.

Edited January 23 by panthers55

[L-TownCat]

23 minutes ago, rayzor said:

i really hope that tepper has been hearing and listening to all of the noise around the league about how his particular management model is seen as a problem and primary reason for his constant failings so far and that he makes a change.

let dan do his job and realize that your job isn't his job. same with the coaching staff.

Im convinced that once a person's net worth reaches a certain threshold they become insulated to criticisms by the never-ending sea of souls clamoring to gain access to the money.  An impenetrable buffer of butt kissers and spinsters that greatly impair self awareness.  Always there to swat away any doubts or insecurities.  

The other option is he's a real (t)wat.

[Zod]

So y'all don't understand that Dan Morgan has been steadily rising the ranks of NFL front offices for over a decade now? 

 

 

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, Zod said:

So y'all don't understand that Dan Morgan has been steadily rising the ranks of NFL front offices for over a decade now? 

 

 

We saw what he did last year and that was more than enough. And Fritters was also a rising star lol.

[L-TownCat]

7 minutes ago, Zod said:

So y'all don't understand that Dan Morgan has been steadily rising the ranks of NFL front offices for over a decade now? 

 

 

You think we could crowd fund a real life version of that office linebacker commercial?

 

[ncfan]

9 minutes ago, Zod said:

So y'all don't understand that Dan Morgan has been steadily rising the ranks of NFL front offices for over a decade now? 

 

 

To be fair.  So was Fitterer.

these exact arguments for Dan Morgan.  Were the exact same thing verbatim about Scott Fitterer just a mier 12 months ago.

And Morgan grew and learned under Scott.

[KSpan]

15 minutes ago, Zod said:

So y'all don't understand that Dan Morgan has been steadily rising the ranks of NFL front offices for over a decade now? 

 

 

The Peter Principle is real. Put another way, no one is good at their role in a promotion unless they were either doing the job before and just didn't have the title, or they prove it. We can only hope it wasn't the former option given the pathetic FO actions of these past seasons, so with Tepper's track record the skepticism will remain until the latter occurs. 

[Waldo]

20 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

You think we could crowd fund a real life version of that office linebacker commercial?

 

They need to film him doing that to the scouting department and it finally becomes worth it. 

[csx]

34 minutes ago, Waldo said:

We saw what he did last year and that was more than enough. And Fritters was also a rising star lol.

He scouted the transition to 3-4. That we know. We get it Waldo, the Panthers suck but at some point you need to offer something beyond repeating 1 of 2 things over and over again.

Edited January 23 by csx

[csx]

30 minutes ago, ncfan said:

To be fair.  So was Fitterer.

these exact arguments for Dan Morgan.  Were the exact same thing verbatim about Scott Fitterer just a mier 12 months ago.

And Morgan grew and learned under Scott.

Beane grew and learned under Hurney and Fitterer and he's a god here.

Edited January 23 by csx