DeAngleo Williams thinks Jake should remain starter

[beastson]

No, you were starting to love Stew more than Williams after he made the Jake comment right now. Again I wouldn't be surprise if Smitty said the same thing, you wouldn't want him as #1 WR anymore. Come on!

And Smitty may not say the same as Williams, but I'm sure he still support Jake.

Oh really...? So please tell me why if you go back and check my comments I supported trading D.Will for a pick cause we had Stewart who was beasting, WAY before these comments

Come on dude, I dont lie. If only these comments made me like him more than D.Will, I'll say so. I dont give a f*ck

With Smith, we cant talk if's. I dont know what that is. He supports whoever is in whether it be Jake or Matt. Thats what EVERY PLAYER should say. Not your personal opinion on who should be in there. WTF

[CharlotteBeer.com]

J.Stew has officially took over my number 1 liking RB on this team

Come on dude, I dont lie. If only these comments made me like him more than D.Will, I'll say so. I dont give a f*ck

:confused:

[beastson]

Oh really...? So please tell me why if you go back and check my comments I supported trading D.Will for a pick cause we had Stewart who was beasting, WAY before these comments

:confused:

[Mr ocho nueve]

Did you know Dwill eats cherios for breakfast and Jstew eats wheaties? Who should start?!!!??!? lol

[CatMan72]

Reason #324 to go ahead and cut Jake. It's not a "open competition" if everyone still supports him and backing him more than Moore. Gross and Williams multiple times have overly praised Jake. Even Hurney after Jake got his "injury" said that he and Fox still have confidence in Jake. Im hearing way more praise for Jake than Moore from people from our own team.

Gross and Williams have no say in who the starting QB is, so why does it really matter what they think?

It's easy for all of us to sit here and talk about how they should cut Jake and what a pile of poop he is, but guys like Gross and Williams have been in the trenches with Jake for years, Jake is like a brother to them, so they're not just going to discard him overnight and move on. Moore is also a teammate, but he hasn't shared blood, sweat and tears with his teammates like Jake has.

Remember when Briggs put the late hit on Jake in 2008 and Jake got up pounding his chest? That simple act changed the whole complextion of that game, because Jake is/was the emotional leader of this team. You don't lose your status as the emotional leader of a team after one bad season... I'm sure that just about everyone in that lockeroom is pulling for Jake.

Moore has a tough road ahead of him, not only does he have to take over the starting QB spot, but he has to try and fill the shoes of one of the most beloved players in the lockeroom. Vets take care of one another and a young guy like Moore is going to have to prove himself both on the field and in the lockeroom for these guys to embrace him.

DeAngelo's comments did not reflect how he felt about Stewart, it's true for anybody in the NFL... some day a kid comes along and takes your job from you, it's the plight of every veteran player in the NFL. Vets believe that other vets deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to keeping that job because they know that some day they'll be in the same predicament.

I'm sure DeAngelo realizes he has no say in who the starting QB is, so why not just go ahead and speak from your heart as to who you would like to see out there. Personally, I would also love to see Jake return to form.... I don't think it's going to happen, but for sentimental reasons I would like to see Jake bounce back.

I think folks are losing their mind over these comments as if they hint at some sort of official position by the Panthers. DeAngelo is just speaking from the heart, I doubt anyone in the Panthers FO or coaching staff plan on asking DeAngelo who he thinks the starting QB should be.

[PantherDude]

Gross and Williams have no say in who the starting QB is, so why does it really matter what they think?

It's easy for all of us to sit here and talk about how they should cut Jake and what a pile of poop he is, but guys like Gross and Williams have been in the trenches with Jake for years, Jake is like a brother to them, so they're not just going to discard him overnight and move on. Moore is also a teammate, but he hasn't shared blood, sweat and tears with his teammates like Jake has.

Remember when Briggs put the late hit on Jake in 2008 and Jake got up pounding his chest? That simple act changed the whole complextion of that game, because Jake is/was the emotional leader of this team. You don't lose your status as the emotional leader of a team after one bad season... I'm sure that just about everyone in that lockeroom is pulling for Jake.

Moore has a tough road ahead of him, not only does he have to take over the starting QB spot, but he has to try and fill the shoes of one of the most beloved players in the lockeroom. Vets take care of one another and a young guy like Moore is going to have to prove himself both on the field and in the lockeroom for these guys to embrace him.

DeAngelo's comments did not reflect how he felt about Stewart, it's true for anybody in the NFL... some day a kid comes along and takes your job from you, it's the plight of every veteran player in the NFL. Vets believe that other vets deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to keeping that job because they know that some day they'll be in the same predicament.

I'm sure DeAngelo realizes he has no say in who the starting QB is, so why not just go ahead and speak from your heart as to who you would like to see out there. Personally, I would also love to see Jake return to form.... I don't think it's going to happen, but for sentimental reasons I would like to see Jake bounce back.

I think folks are losing their mind over these comments as if they hint at some sort of official position by the Panthers. DeAngelo is just speaking from the heart, I doubt anyone in the Panthers FO or coaching staff plan on asking DeAngelo who he thinks the starting QB should be.

Wow! Well said, man. :thumbsup:

[AceMan]

Gross and Williams have no say in who the starting QB is, so why does it really matter what they think?

It's easy for all of us to sit here and talk about how they should cut Jake and what a pile of poop he is, but guys like Gross and Williams have been in the trenches with Jake for years, Jake is like a brother to them, so they're not just going to discard him overnight and move on. Moore is also a teammate, but he hasn't shared blood, sweat and tears with his teammates like Jake has.

Remember when Briggs put the late hit on Jake in 2008 and Jake got up pounding his chest? That simple act changed the whole complextion of that game, because Jake is/was the emotional leader of this team. You don't lose your status as the emotional leader of a team after one bad season... I'm sure that just about everyone in that lockeroom is pulling for Jake.

Moore has a tough road ahead of him, not only does he have to take over the starting QB spot, but he has to try and fill the shoes of one of the most beloved players in the lockeroom. Vets take care of one another and a young guy like Moore is going to have to prove himself both on the field and in the lockeroom for these guys to embrace him.

DeAngelo's comments did not reflect how he felt about Stewart, it's true for anybody in the NFL... some day a kid comes along and takes your job from you, it's the plight of every veteran player in the NFL. Vets believe that other vets deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to keeping that job because they know that some day they'll be in the same predicament.

I'm sure DeAngelo realizes he has no say in who the starting QB is, so why not just go ahead and speak from your heart as to who you would like to see out there. Personally, I would also love to see Jake return to form.... I don't think it's going to happen, but for sentimental reasons I would like to see Jake bounce back.

I think folks are losing their mind over these comments as if they hint at some sort of official position by the Panthers. DeAngelo is just speaking from the heart, I doubt anyone in the Panthers FO or coaching staff plan on asking DeAngelo who he thinks the starting QB should be.

Nice post...buttttttttttttt

This is why you cut Jake...It's simple NFL logic. We're making things hard for any other QB not named Jake Delhomme and making it hard for the team to move on. I think some people are just tired of "veterans" having their way on this team, me being one of them.

Also, I would not be surprised if the vets have a lil pull with a coach like John Fox. We don't know...

Deep down, I think people just don't want Delhomme to ever start again and the mere thought pisses alot of people. And I understand, we should have replaced Delhomme a long time ago! I don't wanna hear crap about Delhomme being a leader or stuff like that. I'm tired of that BS. :banghead:

Everyone on the team needs to do what Jake said he would do...shut the hell up and come to work during camp.

[CatMan72]

Nice post...buttttttttttttt

This is why you cut Jake...It's simple NFL logic. We're making things hard for any other QB not named Jake Delhomme and making it hard for the team to move on. I think some people are just tired of "veterans" having their way on this team, me being one of them.

Also, I would not be surprised if the vets have a lil pull with a coach like John Fox. We don't know...

Deep down, I think people just don't want Delhomme to ever start again and the mere thought pisses alot of people. And I understand, we should have replaced Delhomme a long time ago! I don't wanna hear crap about Delhomme being a leader or stuff like that. I'm tired of that BS. :banghead:

Everyone on the team needs to do what Jake said he would do...shut the hell up and come to work during camp.

So you cut Jake to make things easier for Moore? No thanks.

Part of the maturation process of any player, but especially a QB, is to overcome these kinds of challenges and win the hearts and minds of his teammates. I want to see Moore suceed with Jake breathing down his neck, if Moore can't handle that kind of adversity then we need to start looking elsewhere. Moore will earn much more respect from his teammates and gain more confidence by winning the starting QB job, not by having it handed to him.

You may think it's crap, but leadership is important and Delhomme is still a leader on this team. He EARNED that leadership role over the years, it wasn't handed to him. I would be very concerned about the chemistry of this team if veterans like Gross and Williams were willing to dump Jake and embrace Moore over the course of one season simply because Moore played well and Jake didn't. That's the kind of cut-throat attitude teams like the Skins have, and it shows on the field. Jake means allot more to these guys then just a QB or a co-worker.

Anyhow, this is my last response to this topic because I think DeAngelo's comments are getting blown way out of proportion. None of us, including DeAngelo knows what will happen on opening day, we'll just have to wait and see, but in the meantime DeAngelo is going to support the guy he has sweat and bled with the most.

[AceMan]

So you cut Jake to make things easier for Moore? No thanks.

Part of the maturation process of any player, but especially a QB, is to overcome these kinds of challenges and win the hearts and minds of his teammates. I want to see Moore suceed with Jake breathing down his neck, if Moore can't handle that kind of adversity then we need to start looking elsewhere. Moore will earn much more respect from his teammates and gain more confidence by winning the starting QB job, not by having it handed to him.

You may think it's crap, but leadership is important and Delhomme is still a leader on this team. He EARNED that leadership role over the years, it wasn't handed to him. I would be very concerned about the chemistry of this team if veterans like Gross and Williams were willing to dump Jake and embrace Moore over the course of one season simply because Moore played well and Jake didn't. That's the kind of cut-throat attitude teams like the Skins have, and it shows on the field. Jake means allot more to these guys then just a QB or a co-worker.

Anyhow, this is my last response to this topic because I think DeAngelo's comments are getting blown way out of proportion. None of us, including DeAngelo knows what will happen on opening day, we'll just have to wait and see, but in the meantime DeAngelo is going to support the guy he has sweat and bled with the most.

It's not about making things easy for Moore, but making things less difficult. We're asking Moore to do stuff that he doesn't have any control over. Some of our players might still prefer Jake no matter what.

Obviously, you're gonna have a different opinion than me so I'mma bring up a similiar situation.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/10/if-vince-young-is-titans-qb-choice-teammates-hardly-have-ringing-endorsement/1

"I still have faith in Kerry Collins, that's our guy," LB Keith Bulluck said, via the AP.

Sounds familiar? The only difference in our situations is the Titans have invested in their young QB while we invested in our veteran QB.

I don't want Williams and Gross to dump Delhomme...but they need to stop saying stupid crap. Stop burying Moore to make Delhomme look better. Just say you have faith in both QBs and will let the coaches decided everything or shut the hell up.

Terms like "leadership" and "chemistry" are overrated as hell. Where was this chemistry when Delhomme was starting? When Gross, Williams, and Delhomme went down...this team started playing to win. Overloyalty has killed this team for years...it's about time we act a bit "cut-throat".

I don't even like Delhomme as a back-up so my opinion is already low for him. Sorry to take Williams' comments too serious and sorta derail the thread a bit. But these comments rub me the wrong way...

[Lumps]

The problem with everyone shutting up and just see what happens in camp is the same thing that happened last year, and possibly the one before and DEFINITELY the one before 100% (Testaverte/Carr era). The panther need to go by the numbers this time and take their own advice and by doing so they will choose the one which will 'give them the "best chance to win". Yet logic is dismissed, numbers and facts are still ignored you don't wonder why? I do. Who gives a poo what they do in camp, I want to WIN.

[KillerKat]

Gross and Williams have no say in who the starting QB is, so why does it really matter what they think?

It's easy for all of us to sit here and talk about how they should cut Jake and what a pile of poop he is, but guys like Gross and Williams have been in the trenches with Jake for years, Jake is like a brother to them, so they're not just going to discard him overnight and move on. Moore is also a teammate, but he hasn't shared blood, sweat and tears with his teammates like Jake has.

Remember when Briggs put the late hit on Jake in 2008 and Jake got up pounding his chest? That simple act changed the whole complextion of that game, because Jake is/was the emotional leader of this team. You don't lose your status as the emotional leader of a team after one bad season... I'm sure that just about everyone in that lockeroom is pulling for Jake.

Moore has a tough road ahead of him, not only does he have to take over the starting QB spot, but he has to try and fill the shoes of one of the most beloved players in the lockeroom. Vets take care of one another and a young guy like Moore is going to have to prove himself both on the field and in the lockeroom for these guys to embrace him.

DeAngelo's comments did not reflect how he felt about Stewart, it's true for anybody in the NFL... some day a kid comes along and takes your job from you, it's the plight of every veteran player in the NFL. Vets believe that other vets deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to keeping that job because they know that some day they'll be in the same predicament.

I'm sure DeAngelo realizes he has no say in who the starting QB is, so why not just go ahead and speak from your heart as to who you would like to see out there. Personally, I would also love to see Jake return to form.... I don't think it's going to happen, but for sentimental reasons I would like to see Jake bounce back.

I think folks are losing their mind over these comments as if they hint at some sort of official position by the Panthers. DeAngelo is just speaking from the heart, I doubt anyone in the Panthers FO or coaching staff plan on asking DeAngelo who he thinks the starting QB should be.

You think players opinions don't weigh heavily into the decision process of who to start in Fox's mind? You don't think that has a big impact especially for a coach who has already shown where his loyalties lie?

[PantherDude]

I don't want Williams and Gross to dump Delhomme...but they need to stop saying stupid crap.

So they're not allow to have an opinion & speak from their heart? But if they are, it's stupid? You know, you could say "I disagree" rather than saying "they should stop saying stupid crap", 'cause it sound like you want them to say what you want to hear or you will say it's stupid if you disagree with it.

Stop burying Moore to make Delhomme look better.

Since when are they burying Moore? Moore isn't the starter yet. Just because they defend Jake doesn't mean they're burying Moore or anything like that. They're burying him if they say like "Moore doesn't deserve to be the starter" or something like that. Moore will get his time soon.

Just say you have faith in both QBs and will let the coaches decided everything or shut the hell up.

Again, you think they should shut the hell up because you don't agree with it. So much for "Freedom of Speech". Well, unless it involve saying that kind of things after they speak their heart. Beside, maybe you should tell the interviewers to stop talking to them or tell them to not mention about the QBs situation to those 2.

[AceMan]

So they're not allow to have an opinion & speak from their heart? But if they are, it's stupid? You know, you could say "I disagree" rather than saying "they should stop saying stupid crap", 'cause it sound like you want them to say what you want to hear or you will say it's stupid if you disagree with it.

I say it is stupid because of the reasoning. D-Will is using poor excuses to defend Jake. "Jake took us to the Super Bowl and NFC Championship...he's a leader...picked a bad season to have a bad season." C'mon...D-Will could have kept his mouth shut if he was going to repeat what the average Jake supporter says. He has a right to say his opinion, but I guess I have the right to say my opinion and I think it was a stupid move.

Peppers speaking from the heart and saying he didn't want to play here didn't stop people from bashing him.

Since when are they burying Moore? Moore isn't the starter yet. Just because they defend Jake doesn't mean they're burying Moore or anything like that. They're burying him if they say like "Moore doesn't deserve to be the starter" or something like that. Moore will get his time soon.

They are burying him because it is suppose to be "open competition." They don't necessarily have to say Moore doesn't deserve to start to bury him. All they have to say is "Jake is my guy, he shouldn't be benched due to a 'bad half season' "

Gross tried to bury the other QBs by basically saying "benching Delhomme would be a mistake; we have no one behind him because if we did, we would have put him in already"...(Too lazy to find the exact quote) Blind Faith and knocking all the other QBs on our team...

D.Will is using the same logic. You know it is bad when you have to use excuses when you weren't even on the team! I'm a bit surprised at D-Will because he himself got buried by Foster.

The nature of the business is they want you out because they think the guy behind you can do a better job

Basically implying that Jake should keep his job as starter.

It's crazy that all of our big wigs and leaders (Hurney, Fox, D.Will, and Gross) have come out for Jake yet I can't think of any Panthers player coming out for Matt Moore except Delhomme saying Moore played great, but he still wants to start and Fox even though it was sorta half-ass praise.. Hmmm...:rolleyes5:

Facepalm at the bolded. Moore's time is now!

Again, you think they should shut the hell up because you don't agree with it. So much for "Freedom of Speech". Well, unless it involve saying that kind of things after they speak their heart. Beside, maybe you should tell the interviewers to stop talking to them or tell them to not mention about the QBs situation to those 2.

Or maybe they should

"...believe in taking the high road, and just keeping your mouth shut and working.”

What if a player comes out and says, "Delhomme is a bum or bad for the team"? I'm not saying they have to shut up. I'm saying they should.

[Mjphillips86]

who knew?! I think its just a case of deangelo walking the company line..