This Changes Everything!

[beasonfanclub]

sooooo.................who's the bad guys and who's the good guys now????? i really don't know who to believe or who to side with

[panthers55]

Heard that opinion today on Sirius too. They said one of the reasons is that the players would stop negotiations for a year....since they had taken care of things for this year.

Good point.

The owners are going to do everything they can to try and get back money they felt they gave away. As the uncapped year has played out the owners realize they have the upper hand and the bonanza the players thought they would get hasn't materialized. They are not going to concede anything to the players and will do what they can to pressure them as much as possible. This won't be settled easily and I expect things to get much uglier before it get resolved. I expect this will continue into the summer next year with players being locked out of training camp unless they give in which I doubt they will.

[MadHatter]

What these players do not understand is that they are NOT partners in these franchises. They are EMPLOYEES.

The owners have all of the risk...have to put up all of the capital...and the players believe they have a right to demand a certain % of the earnings. How many of you work for a company where you have the right to demand that a certain % of revenue be paid to you.

[Urrymonster]

What these players do not understand is that they are NOT partners in these franchises. They are EMPLOYEES.

The owners have all of the risk...have to put up all of the capital...and the players believe they have a right to demand a certain % of the earnings. How many of you work for a company where you have the right to demand that a certain % of revenue be paid to you.

This is what I have never understood about the NFLPA. Recently they were getting 60% of the revenue. That's over half. So all the risk the owners put in and they get to keep 40% of the generated revenue to ensure their stadium and all the people working for it are covered financially. Not to mention the training facilities and equipment they provide for the players. It's sad that there are one or two teams that just ooze money, as it makes the players think that most teams are like that, however those teams are the exceptions.

It seems the NFLPA do not want you to run a business, rather they want the majority of whatever you take regardless of the ramifications. Seems a little short-sighted.

[Guest]

Owners will reject for sure. This will be viewed as a sign of weakness on the part of the NFLPA.

[The Saltman]

. How many of you work for a company where you have the right to demand that a certain % of revenue be paid to you.

well if the business couldnt operate unless they specifically needed me? Then I think I would have some leverage.

[Delhommey]

What these players do not understand is that they are NOT partners in these franchises. They are EMPLOYEES.

The owners have all of the risk...have to put up all of the capital...and the players believe they have a right to demand a certain % of the earnings. How many of you work for a company where you have the right to demand that a certain % of revenue be paid to you.

I don't work for a legalized monopoly that's able to fix wages.

[mountainpantherfan]

I hear rumblings that the players could go on a mini strike through training camp. Many of the RFA wouldn't have to sign their tenders until then anyway.

Look for the owners to use this offer to try and get a new CBA in place by March 5.

[mountainpantherfan]

I hear rumblings that the players could mini strike through training camp. RFA don't have to sign their tenders until then any how. The owners might reject this offer but then use it to get the upper hand in getting a new owner friendly CBA in place by March 5.

[MadHatter]

I don't work for a legalized monopoly that's able to fix wages.

The players chose to work for those entities...no one is requiring them to do so.

And, don't think that anyone feels sorry for players making millions to play a game. You make it sound liek the owners run a sweat shop where they are paid ridiculously low wages.

[RedMage138]

The players chose to work for those entities...no one is requiring them to do so.

And, don't think that anyone feels sorry for players making millions to play a game. You make it sound liek the owners run a sweat shop where they are paid ridiculously low wages.

You've see the shape that some former nfl players are in right? Brain damaged, battered, some can barely walk, some can't remember what they ate for breakfast. Trust me, the life of an nfl player is not an easy one.

[MadHatter]

You've see the shape that some former nfl players are in right? Brqin damaged, battered, some can barely walk, some can't remember what they ate for breakfast. Trust me, the life of an nfl player is not an easy one.

I am not suggesting that it go back to the way it was.

However, for employees to be demanding 60% of the revenues...which then generates multi million dollar salaries like we have today...is the other extreme.

You have guys that are paid millions of dollars a year to play a game....and they still want more of the pie. That is my issue with this whole thing.

Just because the career of a football player is relatively short does not make it a requirement that they make enough money in those 4-5 years to live on for the rest of their lives.

We have 22 yo kids signing contracts that are guaranteeing them $20-40 million dollars. This has become ridiculous.

[PantherBrew]

You've see the shape that some former nfl players are in right? Brqin damaged, battered, some can barely walk, some can't remember what they ate for breakfast. Trust me, the life of an nfl player is not an easy one.

High risk. High reward.

[mountainpantherfan]

I am not suggesting that it go back to the way it was.

However, for employees to be demanding 60% of the revenues...which then generates multi million dollar salaries like we have today...is the other extreme.

You have guys that are paid millions of dollars a year to play a game....and they still want more of the pie. That is my issue with this whole thing.

Just because the career of a football player is relatively short does not make it a requirement that they make enough money in those 4-5 years to live on for the rest of their lives.

We have 22 yo kids signing contracts that are guaranteeing them $20-40 million dollars. This has become ridiculous.

Most business models have 45% to 55% of revenue going to employee salaries. This includes the portion that the employer pays towards payroll taxes, retirement, insurance, ect. The closer the business gets to 45% the more profitable, or for non-profit organizations like the one I work for the more sustainable the business is.

Any business that has 60% to 70% of its revenue going towards salaries is going to go out of business very quickly. And lets not forget that when the NFLPA is asking for 70% that doesn't include the salaries of non-player employees.

If the NFLPA was really looking out for the best interest of the players they would be looking for better benefits for the players and not higher salary caps or contracts.