season is over, are there ANY bryce believers left on this board?

[BenjaminBreeg]

11 minutes ago, recceice said:

You full of poo.. If you can’t see how bad this Oline was and how badly Ickey regressed then your literary blind.. And sacks are not a Qb stats Alone who lie to you..

No, you're full of poo!

Stop blaming the O-line for Young's inability to make timely decisions and to navigate the pocket effectively to get away from pressure. 

You rarely ever see Bryce do a standard 3-, 5-, or 7-step drop. Instead, he just saunters backward like a tranquilized raccoon and then does his signature midget-hop like he's twitching on some designer drug. Just how TF are the linemen (especially the interior) supposed to block for him when he rarely gives them enough depth to work with?

Your golden boy also holds onto the ball forever, because his little mouse brain overheats as soon as the reads get just a little tough, so much so that he has no spare mental capacity for basic pocket awareness and navigation, such as climbing the pocket or stepping away from the pressure. He just pogo hops or stands on the same spot like a carboard standie and eats sacks. Even when he tries to get away from pressure, which he almost always does when it's already too freaking late, he doesn't have the speed to outrun defenders, and because he's so tiny, one hand on his shoulder pad is enough to make him eat turf.

The fact is that our O-line gives Bryce plenty of time to make throws. Plenty of time. It's his fault that his fundamentals are so atrocious and his processing so slow that he can't hit open receivers on time or make bare minimum NFL-level throws accurately and consistently or avoid sacks to extend plays. 

Get this through that numb skull of yours: sacks are more of a QB statistic, which is why they are listed on a QB's stat sheet. The majority of sacks are due to Bryce's fault. Why? Because he almost always had enough time in the pocket to either throw to a receiver or simply scramble and throw the ball away. QBs are drilled over and over and over again on the importance of avoiding sacks, because sacks are the worst outcome save for interceptions or pick sixes. This is QB 101 stuff but apparently too difficult to grasp for our super S2-processor. Don't just stand there like a deer in headlights or a special needs boi who just got off the short bus on the wrong stop. Throw the damn ball away, FFS! 

Face it, we bet the farm on a QB who can't even perform simple 3-, 5-, and 7-step drops (or 3- and 5-step drops from the shotgun), which is something even a decent Pop Warner QB can perform on a consistent basis. 

Now go sit in the corner, short pants! Adults are talking here.

[Martin]

Just now, Navy_football said:

I think the Panthers did too. Honestly, the wheels fell off when the entire oline became turnstiles. Hard to reach too deep into the playbook when the QB is running for his life most of the game. 

I think a big part of the o-line issues stem from Frank. The commentators in the last Colts game pointed out how much better their o-line looked this year with the same players. Plenty of personnel issues for the Panthers, but Frank was nothing short of a disaster.

[33inNC]

22 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I promise you that DBs don't sit on receivers because they don't think a QB can beat them deep. It's about not respecting the receiver's ability to get open on them. No DB can outrun a pass. 

I beg to differ, coverages are structured differently if there is no credible deep threat. Zone coverages will sit on short routes and clog up those throwing lanes. Do they leave WR's wide open deep?  No, but the coverages are different. 

[Navy_football]

4 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

The ball has to be delivered for them to make a big play. 

Young would suck ass in Houston as well. 

Maybe. But his suck wouldn't be nearly as bad as his suck in Carolina. Houston receivers will drop balls on occasion too, but they'll turn a 5 yards slant into a 75 yards TD the next play. No one does that in Carolina. 

[CRA]

 

[MHS831]

27 minutes ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

 

Sacks are listed on QB's stat sheet for a reason, because it's more of a QB stat. It reflects poorly on a QB if he's sacked too many times, unless the O-line is truly horrible, which ours isn't.

Our OL is not truly horrible?--I beg to differ.  Are you saying that sacks are not on the OL or the WRs?  Our LT (and they kept stats on this) had 11 sacks this season, 3rd worst.  He also was third worst in penalties.  Our LG was a revolving door, but Zavala, in limited snaps, surrendered 6 sacks (6th worse in the NFL). Bradley Bozeman gave up 10 sacks (1st among NFL centers).  Cade Mays surrendered 3 sacks in limited play. In contrast, Taylor Moton surrendered 1 sack all season.  The left side of the OL featured the #1, #3, and #6 (respectively) worst in the category of sacks (an OL stat too, for a reason)-- I am not including the reserves like Nash Jensen or Gabe Jackson.  This OL was truly horrible.  40% of the starters were on IR most of the time and when they played, they gave up a lot. 

I am not even going to get into the fact that multiple announcers commented on how there were no open WRs.  Considering the Panthers had the 8th most penalties in the NFL and most sacks, is it possible that Bryce was holding the ball too long trying to make a play?  What does he do?  Throw it into coverage?  Out of bounds?  Run it?  He did all those things.

Edited January 7, 2024 by MHS831

[recceice]

 

example .. 
 

Cj great pass had time because his Oline blocked and great catch by Nico who got separation and a over the shoulder catch.. A 11 guys did their job on that play not just 1..

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

No, you're full of poo!

Stop blaming the O-line for Young's inability to make timely decisions and to navigate the pocket effectively to get away from pressure. 

You rarely ever see Bryce do a standard 3-, 5-, or 7-step drop. Instead, he just saunters backward like a tranquilized raccoon and then does his signature midget-hop like he's twitching on some designer drug. Just how TF are the linemen (especially the interior) supposed to block for him when he rarely gives them enough depth to work with?

Your golden boy also holds onto the ball forever, because his little mouse brain overheats as soon as the reads get just a little tough, so much so that he has no spare mental capacity for basic pocket awareness and navigation, such as climbing the pocket or stepping away from the pressure. He just pogo hops or stands on the same spot like a carboard standie and eats sacks. Even when he tries to get away from pressure, which he almost always does when it's already too freaking late, he doesn't have the speed to outrun defenders, and because he's so tiny, one hand on his shoulder pad is enough to make him eat turf.

The fact is that our O-line gives Bryce plenty of time to make throws. Plenty of time. It's his fault that his fundamentals are so atrocious and his processing so slow that he can't hit open receivers on time or make bare minimum NFL-level throws accurately and consistently or avoid sacks to extend plays. 

 

Get this through that numb skull of yours: sacks are more of a QB statistic, which is why they are listed on a QB's stat sheet. The majority of sacks are due to Bryce's fault. Why? Because he almost always had enough time in the pocket to either throw to a receiver or simply scramble and throw the ball away. QBs are drilled over and over and over again on the importance of avoiding sacks, because sacks are the worst outcome save for interceptions or pick sixes. This is QB 101 stuff but apparently too difficult to grasp for our super S2-processor. Don't just stand there like a deer in headlights or a special needs boi who just got off the short bus on the wrong stop. Throw the damn ball away, FFS! 

Face it, we bet the farm on a QB who can't even perform simple 3-, 5-, and 7-step drops (or 3- and 5-step drops from the shotgun), which is something even a decent Pop Warner QB can perform on a consistent basis. 

Now go sit in the corner, short pants! Adults are talking here.

Bryce sucked! The O-line sucked!

I watched all the damned games. The O-line does not get a pass.

Edited January 7, 2024 by top dawg

[Martin]

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

Maybe. But his suck wouldn't be nearly as bad as his suck in Carolina. Houston receivers will drop balls on occasion too, but they'll turn a 5 yards slant into a 75 yards TD the next play. No one does that in Carolina. 

That is somewhat fair. But one major difference is that Stroud hits them in stride and Bryce rarely does.

[mav1234]

Our receivers are almost always waiting for balls to arrive. They drift and float. Bryce just has terrible footwork and can't deliver a good ball to let a receiver make plays with it most of the time.

[Martin]

8 minutes ago, Solaris said:

Carolina is easily the worst situation in the league. I think it’s an overreaction to say that he needs a Purdy type situation, arguably the best situation in the league, in order to look average. He might be awful but I don’t know how you can tell in this offense.

I base it in his physical limitations as a passer and that he’s never had a good deep ball, not even in College.

[BenjaminBreeg]

Just now, MHS831 said:

Our OL is not truly horrible--I beg to differ.  Are you saying that sacks are not on the OL or the WRs?  Our LT (and they kept stats on this) had 11 sacks this season, 3rd worst.  He also was third worst in penalties.  Our LG was a revolving door, but Zavala, in limited snaps, surrendered 6 sacks (6th worse in the NFL). Bradley Bozeman gave up 10 sacks (1st among NFL centers).  Cade Mays surrendered 3 sacks in limited play. In contrast, Taylor Moton surrendered 1 sack all season.  The left side of the OL featured the #1, #3, and #6 (respectively) worst in the category of sacks (an OL stat too, for a reason)-- I am not including the reserves like Nash Jensen or Gabe Jackson.  This OL was truly horrible.  40% of the starters were on IR most of the time and when they played, they gave up a lot. 

I am not even going to get into the fact that multiple announcers commented on how there were no open WRs.  Considering the Panthers had the 8th most penalties in the NFL and most sacks, is it possible that Bryce was holding the ball too long trying to make a play?  What does he do?  Throw it into coverage?  Out of bounds?  Run it?  He did all those things.

How many times do I have to repeat myself? Get this through that thick skull of yours: sacks are more of a QB stat, which is why they are listed on QB stat sheets. 

[recceice]

2 minutes ago, 33inNC said:

I beg to differ, coverages are structured differently if there is no credible deep threat. Zone coverages will sit on short routes and clog up those throwing lanes. Do they leave WR's wide open deep?  No, but the coverages are different. 

Then you’re wrong.. If a DB doesn’t fear speed or believe the WR can make a catch in traffic they play close man to man no matter who the QB is.. Now add in the fact the DC believes he can get pressure on the QB quick because the (Oline sucks) .. They play every thing short and don’t worry about deep passes.. Reality check

[jb2288]

1 minute ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

How many times do I have to repeat myself? Get this through that thick skull of yours: sacks are more of a QB stat, which is why they are listed on QB stat sheets. 

Now THIS is cope