season is over, are there ANY bryce believers left on this board?

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3 minutes ago, Ghostofdelhomme said:

So not getting training camp reps as a rookie and being thrust in is meaningless? Rosen wasn’t as bad anyway, had more td’s and won 3 games

Again you didn’t have that as a category in your 1st post.. 

at some point you’re going to start saying he has to have started in September during a rain storm and had 2 ply toilet paper in his house ..

[Verge]

This is an insane overreaction for a rookie quarterback tbh. He showed plenty of flashes and to act otherwise is silly. He gets at least one to two more years. I don't think any of Young's weapons would start on another team except Thielen who would be a WR2-3, certainly not the best weapon on the team. Offensive line was a mess, play calling was a mess early on. You have to give him time to develop and surround him with some talent. I know it's bad when you mirror it to Stroud, but you have to realize the talent gap between the two teams is pretty wide. 

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Just now, Verge said:

This is an insane overreaction for a rookie quarterback tbh. He showed plenty of flashes and to act otherwise is silly. He gets at least one to two more years. I don't think any of Young's weapons would start on another team except Thielen who would be a WR2-3, certainly not the best weapon on the team. Offensive line was a mess, play calling was a mess early on. You have to give him time to develop and surround him with some talent. I know it's bad when you mirror it to Stroud, but you have to realize the talent gap between the two teams is pretty wide. 

This ^^
I can be disappointed in BY season but also point out the obstacles and failures of others in that season..

[3838]

2 minutes ago, Verge said:

This is an insane overreaction for a rookie quarterback tbh.

[FugginPoo]

Green Bay game had signs of elite qb play and a team and offensive game plan that hadn’t checked out yet.  Since then they checked out

[RumHam]

1 hour ago, WestPanthers said:

Instead of saying Young believers, how about any Tepper Believers?

Cultists

[Teddy2SuperBowlHeartBreaks]

3 minutes ago, Verge said:

This is an insane overreaction for a rookie quarterback tbh. He showed plenty of flashes and to act otherwise is silly. He gets at least one to two more years. I don't think any of Young's weapons would start on another team except Thielen who would be a WR2-3, certainly not the best weapon on the team. Offensive line was a mess, play calling was a mess early on. You have to give him time to develop and surround him with some talent. I know it's bad when you mirror it to Stroud, but you have to realize the talent gap between the two teams is pretty wide. 

The talent gap is between the two QBs

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32 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

I think this is the biggest disconnect between the majority of us and the "Bryce Guys". NONE of us think this team is good. NONE. We know the Oline is weak, we know the WRs are weak, we know the HC sucks, we know the OC sucks. But we believe Bryce sucks ... despite all that.

That’s cool.. Your Opinion.. I’m sorry that I can understand that most rookies won’t be able to overcome these obstacles and you don’t… 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Verge said:

This is an insane overreaction for a rookie quarterback tbh. He showed plenty of flashes and to act otherwise is silly. He gets at least one to two more years. I don't think any of Young's weapons would start on another team except Thielen who would be a WR2-3, certainly not the best weapon on the team. Offensive line was a mess, play calling was a mess early on. You have to give him time to develop and surround him with some talent. I know it's bad when you mirror it to Stroud, but you have to realize the talent gap between the two teams is pretty wide. 

This is the same thing said about just about all bust QB's. There were barely any flashes at all. Not enough to matter, for sure.

Mostly what he showed is horrible footwork, lack of arm strength and a severe case of David Carr Battered QB syndrome.

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1 minute ago, Teddy2SuperBowlHeartBreaks said:

The talent gap is between the two QBs

Yeah okay.. I can’t wait for you to tell me who is the Nico Collin’s and tank Dell on the Panthers??

[45catfan]

Just now, FugginPoo said:

Green Bay game had signs of elite qb play and a team and offensive game plan that hadn’t checked out yet.  Since then they checked out

Or it was lightening in a bottle?  What's harder to believe, that Young stunk all year was a fluke and the Packers game was the REAL Bryce, or the rest of season's body or work is more of the tell tail and even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally?  I tend to think the later.

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Just now, kungfoodude said:

This is the same thing said about just about all bust QB's. There were barely any flashes at all. Not enough to matter, for sure.

Mostly what he showed is horrible footwork, lack of arm strength and a severe case of David Carr Battered QB syndrome.

You say this but aleast the majority of 1st round QBs are giving 2 or 3 seasons before getting the bust label.. Not 1 year in a bad organization..

[CPF4LIFE]

6 minutes ago, Verge said:

This is an insane overreaction for a rookie quarterback tbh. He showed plenty of flashes and to act otherwise is silly. He gets at least one to two more years. I don't think any of Young's weapons would start on another team except Thielen who would be a WR2-3, certainly not the best weapon on the team. Offensive line was a mess, play calling was a mess early on. You have to give him time to develop and surround him with some talent. I know it's bad when you mirror it to Stroud, but you have to realize the talent gap between the two teams is pretty wide. 

Were you saying this before the season started? Thought the big reason to draft bryce over stroud was because stroud was only good because of the talent around him in college but yet he goes to a team with only 3 wins and was expected to struggle because of no talent but yet takes that team to playoffs.

The Head coach Ryans said himself last night they arent where they are without him but somehow houston is one of the most talented teams in the league all of a sudden. I have never seen a bottom fielding team get so much credit for their roster when only managing a couple wins the last few years. The gymnastics to protect bryce has been over the top all year. 

[Bear Hands]

As a team who has seen one of the absolute worst and then one of the best rookie seasons in NFL history, in sequential years, this is one of the more appropriate groups for seeing what promise vs. not cutting it looks like.  I really don't think calling it for what it is, is some overreaction.  

There's a level of eye test needing to be passed and Bryce did not cut it this season.  Simple as that.  This was Jake Locker level.

Now sure, I'll give him into next season but holy hell, this was just bad.  I simply can't get over the lack of zip and his footwork.  Not to mention, there are huge detriments that aren't correctable physically, he does not have the arm (I don't know how people can't see this, the zip is not there), and now, he is playing scared 100% of the time.    

This is a bad situation. 

I know he's a "good kid" or whatever and people WANT him to be good.  But he just wasn't. 

He has A LOT to prove in short order.