Bryce was allegedly yelled at by Bozeman...

[BenjaminBreeg]

18 minutes ago, The Natural said:

I don't buy that at all. The line was terrible when Dalton was in there as well. The problem is we're running an offense that plays to the exact opposite of what our linemen are (were) good at.

Sacks are more of a QB stat than an O-line stat, which is why they are listed under a QB's stat sheet. As a backup, Dalton had very few reps in, so it's understandable he was sacked three times in that one game. Moreover, Dalton attempted 58 passes in that game, which means he had more opportunities to be sacked (1 sack per 19 pass attempts). Now compare that with Jalen Hurt's sack numbers behind the top-rated O-line (522 pass attemps, 34 sacks, 1 sack per 15.3 pass attempts), I say Dalton actually did very well considering how few reps he got prior to the game. Had we benched Bryce at that point and started Dalton for the rest of the season, I fully expect him to be sacked less and less as the season progressed. The same thing can't be said about Bryce. 

Edited January 5 by BenjaminBreeg

[WUnderhill]

Even if the OL gives 10 seconds of a clean pocket, what’s the difference if the slow receivers take 15 seconds to get to their spot? I’m clearly exaggerating with the numbers. The problem is the whole offense and pretty much every offensive player. The OL is bad, compounded by bad and slow receivers, compounded by RBs trying to do too much in the backfield, compounded by penalties and awful 1st and 2nd down plays, compounded by a rookie QB who has zero room for rookie QB mistakes, which puts us into more 2nd and 15, 3rd and 15 than I’ve ever seen in a season. If you’re in here saying this offensive line is performing adequately, I think you aren’t watching the games and have a bias. I’m not sure we’d be worse if we cut every single player.

[electro's horse]

20 minutes ago, Castavar said:

I remember a few us getting absolutely sh*tted on at the time for calling this out, saying "lol people b*tching about a preseason game" or "really guys, we are running vanilla plays", etc. Anybody with eyes could see that we were getting absolutely ramrodded by the other team's depth. It just felt different. There were times when our starters were getting manhandled by their 2nd and 3rd string guys. I had a really bad feeling about this season based on our preseason play alone.

I was cautiously optimistic during the preseason but something definitely seemed wrong. 
 

by the third drive against the falcons it was clear there were serious problems. 

[Zaximus]

7 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Even if the OL gives 10 seconds of a clean pocket, what’s the difference if the slow receivers take 15 seconds to get to their spot? I’m clearly exaggerating with the numbers. The problem is the whole offense and pretty much every offensive player. The OL is bad, compounded by bad and slow receivers, compounded by RBs trying to do too much in the backfield, compounded by penalties and awful 1st and 2nd down plays, compounded by a rookie QB who has zero room for rookie QB mistakes, which puts us into more 2nd and 15, 3rd and 15 than I’ve ever seen in a season. If you’re in here saying this offensive line is performing adequately, I think you aren’t watching the games and have a bias. I’m not sure we’d be worse if we cut every single player.

Yeah all this, basically.  I'm not saying Bryce is or isn't a bust, it's just too early and the issues are too vast right now.  Those numbers posted earlier in the thread don't take account receiver separation etc.  Also just the eye test.  Our offensive line is eating dirt on many plays within 1 second.  There are screenshots of the ball barely hitting Bryce's hands and every member of the defensive line has beat our offensive line already.  

[Selltheteamtepper]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

I may need to make it my crusade, but this narrative that we haven't given Bryce enough time to do his thing has gotta stop.  Once again, here are the actual pressure rates and pocket times:

Teams who give up a pressure rate within 2.5% of our Oline are teams like:  San Francisco, Houston, Detroit, Cleveland and Kansas City.  How are Purdy, Stroud, Goff, Flacco and Mahomes doing?  Yea, they seem fine.

23 out of 32 teams show pocket time with one tenth of a second of what we have.  That's more than two thirds of the league!  This isn't the issue.

Our Oline isn't perfect, I won't make excuses for them.  But BY has not helped them AT ALL.  NFL pass games are HEAVILY based around timing, which is tied to footwork.  His footwork and therefore timing have been atrocious all year. 

Many quality NFL QB's get the job done with pressure rates and pocket times like what we provide.  Including rookies like Stroud and Levis.  No more excuses.  Bryce must get way better.

Great post.
 

Keep in mind people we watched Dalton put up 375 total yards behind one of the lines worst performances of the year.
 

Most good throws in the league are made stepping up in the pocket knowing  you’ll get hit or while getting hit. Bryce can not make these throws. If someone is in his face he shys away from contact. I remember Thomas Brown prior to the draft giving an interview and he said I need all 11 offensive players to be physical. We only have a few physical players, this offense is all finesse. 
 

This line did not go from top 10 in 2022 to bottom 5 in 2023 overnight. It’s an average NFL line, around 20% pressure rate, that Bryce is making to look poor. 

Edited January 5 by Selltheteamtepper

[Manna]

1 hour ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

His footwork has always been terrible since at least his days at Alabama.

This and other things like arm strength and ball placement. In YouTube highlights I saw nothing in his play that was better than Stroud. Somehow the scouts, or should I say the Teppers, were enamored about something enough to trade up to 1 for him. But I digress, his bad footwork worked in college because he had time to throw. It doesn’t work in the NFL and I don’t know why that wasn’t considered as a “flaw” and worked on during camp till now. 

[BenjaminBreeg]

5 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Even if the OL gives 10 seconds of a clean pocket, what’s the difference if the slow receivers take 15 seconds to get to their spot? I’m clearly exaggerating with the numbers. The problem is the whole offense and pretty much every offensive player. The OL is bad, compounded by bad and slow receivers, compounded by RBs trying to do too much in the backfield, compounded by penalties and awful 1st and 2nd down plays, compounded by a rookie QB who has zero room for rookie QB mistakes, which puts us into more 2nd and 15, 3rd and 15 than I’ve ever seen in a season. If you’re in here saying this offensive line is performing adequately, I think you aren’t watching the games and have a bias. I’m not sure we’d be worse if we cut every single player.

Stop blaming the receivers. They've been NFL-open plenty of times. They're not responsible for Bryce's poor throwing mechanics, poor timing (stemming from his atrocious footwork), poor processing, poor arm strength, poor accuracy, and his inability to throw receivers open. 

Bryce's poor play is directly responsible for the perceived underperformance by our receivers, O-line, and in other aspects of the game. 

Bryce is the problem.

 

[strato]

The 300 yard game, that apparently proved all Young doubters everywhere wrong (idiots!), what was the main difference I thought I was seeing? Young pulling the trigger.  

There is a reason he is trigger shy.  His processor knows he is having problems with the speed of the defenders because of the time his balls stay in the air. It doesn’t compute into a good outcome. 

 

edit: it is a lot less the bad WRs than people are claiming. You can have 300 yard games with them.

Edited January 5 by strato

[fanpanther]

3 hours ago, CmC2k said:

Bozeman needs to worry about his own play and the play of his fellow Offensive linemen not named Taylor Moton. On 32 drop backs the Oline allowed 6 sacks, 8 qb hits and 14 pressures. Bryce needs to stop with the whole nice guy act and show some frustration or some anger to these dudes because they're gonna get him killed. 

Bryce yelling at the linemen to hold there blocks longer he only needs 10 seconds per dropback and a completely open pocket to make an ok throw. lol

[CRA]

5 hours ago, BrianS said:

I may need to make it my crusade, but this narrative that we haven't given Bryce enough time to do his thing has gotta stop.  Once again, here are the actual pressure rates and pocket times:

Teams who give up a pressure rate within 2.5% of our Oline are teams like:  San Francisco, Houston, Detroit, Cleveland and Kansas City.  How are Purdy, Stroud, Goff, Flacco and Mahomes doing?  Yea, they seem fine.

23 out of 32 teams show pocket time with one tenth of a second of what we have.  That's more than two thirds of the league!  This isn't the issue.

Our Oline isn't perfect, I won't make excuses for them.  But BY has not helped them AT ALL.  NFL pass games are HEAVILY based around timing, which is tied to footwork.  His footwork and therefore timing have been atrocious all year. 

Many quality NFL QB's get the job done with pressure rates and pocket times like what we provide.  Including rookies like Stroud and Levis.  No more excuses.  Bryce must get way better.

In fairness, it is a lot easier to get the ball out on time to a well schemed play to Deebo Samuel...than it is to Adam Theilen with the defender running the route for him that frankly probably was never designed to be anything but a catch and get hit stop route. 

Bryce sucks. 

our scheme sucks. 

our players don't get open. 

It's a collective. Everyone is sort of bad and making life harder on everyone else.  Everyone stinks and needs help....and there is no help avaliable. 

[Ricky Prickles]

3 hours ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

Have you seen any of his press conferences? He can't string a sentence together without a bunch of um, um, ums. 

Yes but still doesn't mean he isn't mentally tough. He is shy in front of press or cameras. um um ums has nothing to do with mentally tough. Im not saying he is a good QB but am saying the um um ums has absolutely zero to do with being mentally strong.

[Selltheteamtepper]

The coverage of Bryce Young leading up to the draft was incredibly dishonest. No one was willing to tell the truth about his size, toughness or question his leadership leadership skills over fear of it being labeled discriminatory towards small people. It’s very hard to earn the respect of your teammates as the smallest guy in the locker room. Only a handful of mainstream guys even spoke about this stuff, Keyshawn Johnson was one of them. Meanwhile Stroud and Levis, who had all the typical traits, were portrayed as these bumbling idiots. I’ve noticed this trend in life where people’s weaknesses are made out to be strengths in the name of inclusivity. The fact that Tepper couldn’t see through this is a major red flag. 

[WUnderhill]

2 hours ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

Stop blaming the receivers. They've been NFL-open plenty of times. They're not responsible for Bryce's poor throwing mechanics, poor timing (stemming from his atrocious footwork), poor processing, poor arm strength, poor accuracy, and his inability to throw receivers open. 

Bryce's poor play is directly responsible for the perceived underperformance by our receivers, O-line, and in other aspects of the game. 

Bryce is the problem.

 

Ok now show all the blown blocks and jailbreaks from this supposedly average OL. Nobody is in here saying Bryce Young is perfect and hitting every open receiver. You clearly have an agenda if that’s what you took from my post.

Edit to add: this “NFL-open” buzz term is something that has suddenly become very popular here this season. Might want to think about why that is. Could it be just the term “open” rarely describes our receivers?

Edited January 5 by WUnderhill

[Pejorative Miscreant]

I think there are several things working against Bryce Young at this point and need to be cleaned up.  Perhaps the biggest is Bryce Young. 

I pull for him and want him to get better because he is the QB on my team but I'm not blind to what we've witnessed thus far.  Not saying he is a total lost cause (yet) but he needs a lot (I mean a lot) of work if he wants any sort of future in the league.  Not going into the argument of where he was drafted as it really makes no difference cause he is here already.