The Observer's Processing Blue podcast: Breaking down the fallout from Tepper's drink tossing incident

[mrcompletely11]

35 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Oh, I'm not saying I think it will happen, only that it's what he NEEDS.

It's very strange that his footwork has degraded like it has.  If you go back and watch in 2021, he was still super toesy (clearly his height has always been an issue) but his footwork was much quicker and more confident.  He was actually getting back quickly and keeping the best base possible given his height.  Watch the Florida 2021 tape for example.  I'm not saying his footwork has ever been great, but it's definitely much worse now than at any point in the past.

I will never get over his tigger bounce he does in the pocket to throw, that poo has to stop

[Navy_football]

Ya'll so goofy. Mahomes has an unconventional drop back and he hops too. So I guess he needs to clean all that up too, huh?

Bryce gets beat the F up every game. The one game he didn't get beat up (well, after they replaced Jensen), he passed for 300 yards and 2 TDs with no turnovers. 

He definitely needs to improve on his decision making and coming off of covered receivers sooner, but let's not act like the playcalling is superior. I think Thompson can be good, but he's a brand new playcaller! He needs time before he gets there, particularly with an oline that can't hold and receivers that can't get consistent separation - or catch the ball consistently. Marsette needs to take Mingo's reps. Period.

Bryce Young needs to step up on the chances he gets. Agree. Yes. But... if you get you're getting your tail blown up all game, it's hard to sit in the pocket and step into throws. Ya'll aren't being realistic. The dude is not a machine. Those hits don't feel good, but he's supposed to assume the oline will hold on every play? Nah, stop the cap. If any one of ya'll we're getting your ish pushed in the way he does every game, I promise you, you'd have happy feet and look to escape the pocket at the first sign of a break down. I don't give a F what your charts say. Last Sunday was not NFL average protection. Not even close. 

[BrianS]

14 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Ya'll so goofy. Mahomes has an unconventional drop back and he hops too. So I guess he needs to clean all that up too, huh?

Patrick Mahomes has OTHERWORLDLY arm talent, he can get away with things that BY will never be able to.  And if you think that's what PM does as a course, then all you're doing is watching highlights.  Watch all his snaps.  He typically plays with good base and in rhythm until the structure of the play isn't working. 

People tend to forget how good that offense was even before Mahomes.  In 2017, Alex Smith (yes, that Alex Smith) threw for 4000 yards and 26 TD's.  They went to the playoffs three straight years with him at QB.  He was 31 - 15 those three years.  That offense was already great, and then Mahomes made it otherworldly.

17 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Bryce gets beat the F up every game.

So, the actual statistics are all over the forums now.  His pressure rate and pocket time are middle of the pack.  He's not experiencing anything more or less than an average NFL QB experiences.

19 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Bryce Young needs to step up on the chances he gets. Agree. Yes. But... if you get you're getting your tail blown up all game, it's hard to sit in the pocket and step into throws. Ya'll aren't being realistic. The dude is not a machine. Those hits don't feel good, but he's supposed to assume the oline will hold on every play? Nah, stop the cap. If any one of ya'll we're getting your ish pushed in the way he does every game, I promise you, you'd have happy feet and look to escape the pocket at the first sign of a break down. I don't give a F what your charts say. Last Sunday was not NFL average protection. Not even close.

That's the job of an NFL QB.  Stand in the pocket, take the hits and make the plays.  It's not about what I would do, I'm not an NFL QB.  It's not about what last Sunday was, it's about what the year has been.  The year has been a bad one for the team, but Bryce Young has not been exposed to anything that other NFL QB's this year haven't also experienced. 

You can find the threads on the forum if you care to see the actual data, but since you brought up Mahomes, he's a great example.  His pressure rate is 22.7%.  Bryce Young, 22.6%.  Yes, I see that vet versus rookie argument coming a mile away.  Will Levis pressure rate was 27.3%.

I still want Bryce to succeed.  It makes my team better, faster.  I have serious doubts that he will, and I strongly believe that anyone who thinks otherwise is wearing blinders.  I can root for the guy but still keep my eyes open to the reality of the situation.