People need to realize

[RumHam]

Its that time to see draft predictions and what not. Icky is jeff otah 2.0, but youre not hot swapping a second or third rounder to start. I feel like this discussion was already had with Christensen.

We aren't winning poo next year and most likely the year after. Homers on twitter and some on here are hell bent on believing we are the right staff and like two players away and that bryce is mahomes 2.0. STOP IT. 

After the tepper tantrum, ben johnson gonna want 50 mil a year to come here. And he probably still isnt the right answer because of the the Nicoles. This team cant draft, especially wide receivers in the second. Theres a reason they didn't go in the first and we have NEVER had a staff to get these players right. Same with edge rushers. You take the best interior lineman. Hurney was good at firsts because hed take the best position player that wasnt needed by others. We got Luke because no one needed a linebacker. BPA BABY. Interior lineman arent drafted high. Hell we got kalil in the second. 

Tldr; we arent good, arent close, its gonna be a while, so a handul of late round draft swaps arent the answer. We aren't a 1000 yard receiver away, hell we got one of those.

[kungfoodude]

Jeff Otah was actually quite good. He didn’t get derailed by poor play, he got derailed by injuries.

That is not remotely an apples to apples comparison.

[Tbe]

Most of our best players are Hurney picks or other team’s cast offs.

Its going to be like that for a while. 3 years minimum if a miracle happens, but most likely much much longer.

[BY9Franchise]

22 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Jeff Otah was actually quite good. He didn’t get derailed by poor play, he got derailed by injuries.

That is not remotely an apples to apples comparison.

Look who the OP is and just understand no comparison he makes will be legit

[The Natural]

Jeff Otah is a big reason we had such a dominant run game in 2008. The comparison is terrible. 

[csx]

Great thread  

 

Is there a more overused incorrect term than the 2.0 label? What do they have in common other than playing tacke?

[pantherj]

Otah's HoF level run blocking is the reason double trouble got their massive contracts. They ran behind him all the time and he battered and clubbed anyone in front of him. The problem with Otah was that all that violence he dealt out destroyed his body, and he blew his back out.

Icky can't pass block to save his life, so we'll have to move him to LG and hope for the best. He's taller than you would want at OG but we're out of options. Icky can't be allowed to get our QB injured, and he's a constant threat of doing just that. Christensen can go to LT, or we can draft one.

Edited January 1 by pantherj

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Comparing Ickey to Jeff Otah is doing Otah extremely dirty

[MGH1989]

Who here thinks this team will be good next year? I’m still high on Bryce, but this team basically needs a new offensive line and 2-3 receivers. Teams can go from bad to good quick in the NFL, but assuming you get the right hire at coach and GM it will take at least two off seasons to field a team that can compete for the playoffs. That’s if everything goes well, which it hasn’t for this team in a long time. 4-5 wins would be a great improvement for this team.

[MGH1989]

4 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

Comparing Ickey to Jeff Otah is doing Otah extremely dirty

Jeff was arguably a better run blocker and clearly a better pass blocker. There is also a difference in getting beat and having complete mental lapses and allowing free rushers. Granted it’s been a decade plus, but I don’t remember Otah just giving up uncontested sacks on the regular.

[Jay Roosevelt]

The OL has to be priority #1, hands down.

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

wilks and even mcadoo hid a lot of Ickey's issues. running the ball 30+ per game and also having a TE and/or RB on his side to help with chipping.

Reich/ Thomas Brown's playbook/playcalling involves leaving Ickey on an island from the shotgun on every 3rd and long

not once, do we ever see help protection or even a play-action called to help slow the pass rushers

[Manna]

1 hour ago, RumHam said:

Its that time to see draft predictions and what not. Icky is jeff otah 2.0, but youre not hot swapping a second or third rounder to start. I feel like this discussion was already had with Christensen.

We aren't winning poo next year and most likely the year after. Homers on twitter and some on here are hell bent on believing we are the right staff and like two players away and that bryce is mahomes 2.0. STOP IT. 

After the tepper tantrum, ben johnson gonna want 50 mil a year to come here. And he probably still isnt the right answer because of the the Nicoles. This team cant draft, especially wide receivers in the second. Theres a reason they didn't go in the first and we have NEVER had a staff to get these players right. Same with edge rushers. You take the best interior lineman. Hurney was good at firsts because hed take the best position player that wasnt needed by others. We got Luke because no one needed a linebacker. BPA BABY. Interior lineman arent drafted high. Hell we got kalil in the second. 

Tldr; we arent good, arent close, its gonna be a while, so a handul of late round draft swaps arent the answer. We aren't a 1000 yard receiver away, hell we got one of those.

So you’re following this team then because?

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

17 minutes ago, MGH1989 said:

Jeff was arguably a better run blocker and clearly a better pass blocker. There is also a difference in getting beat and having complete mental lapses and allowing free rushers. Granted it’s been a decade plus, but I don’t remember Otah just giving up uncontested sacks on the regular.

I still remember Otah's first preseason game, it was against the Colts iirc.  He was on the first team and straight up pushed a dude to the far sideline out of bounds on a running play.

If he could have stayed healthy he would have been a perennial Pro Bowl type player imo.