Cut Delhomme

[panthers55]

You're already setting money on fire by keeping him. He's useless. Knowing the sytem sure did us good last season

You cut him because...

#1 He'll be interfering with competant QBs fighting for the starting job

#2 You don't want him teaching anyone anything

#3 He brings absolutely nothing to the table and if anything will hurt the team more if he sees the field again

#4 Other QBs on the roster will realize they have a legit shot at the starting gig without looking over thier shoulder

#5 He's taking up a roster spot that can be used for someone that can actually play QB

So in the end if it means we have to pay a lil more to get rid of a worthless QB and sign another thats worth a poo, so be it. Hurney and Fox got themselves in this mess and they'll have to bite the bullet.

All of that is baseless speculation. There is absolutely no reason to cut him before final cuts at the end of the preseason. We carry 80 roster spots into camp so he isn't taking a spot away from anyone.

He may or may not have anything left. That will be decided in camp and the preseason. It is not unusual at all for athletes to struggle for a year or two after major surgery. Accuracy takes the longest to return and he was never known as that accurate to begin with.

Moore has already said that Jake helped him a lot this year with reads and in film work. Delhomme has conceded he would be fine as the backup and Moore has said they work well together.

Moore has the inside track to start this year. If for whatever reason Jake would somehow start, he would be on a shorter leash than Rodney Peete was on in 2003.

Jake had a horrible year last year no doubt but it remains to be seen whether he is washed up yet. Having 2 guys with starting experience is a huge benefit for us. If for some reason Moore gets injured I would rather have Jake than a no name draft pick or Feeley or McCown as my backup.

[panthers55]

It will definately be intersting to see how the QB position plays out. I for starters would like to see the organization make a move to try and bring in either J.Campbell or T.Jackson to compete for the starting position but we all know that isnt going to happen and has been debated in many threads on this board. So that being said, I can definately see Jake starting in week one no matter what happens in TC and the pre-season unless he completely implodes or Moore is outstanding above belief. The only difference next season is Jake will be on a short leash and get pulled right away if he sucks so bad again.

Up to the present Moore has never looked good in preseason. He plays so much better in game situations. The first indicator he is ready to be the man would be for him to look good in OTAs/training camp and the preseason and come out of the gate ready to go and looking like the starter. It is his job to lose at this point.

[Urrymonster]

There is one big reason why it is prudent to cut him this off season.

There is NO cap this season, which will allow us to dump the whole contract and thus all future cap implications as well. If we were to retain him this coming season and the CBA is sorted for the 2011 season, then we all of a sudden have a big cap number sitting on our books. It will be just as costly to cut him from then on and we would incur a huge cap penalty if we released him at any point.

The ONLY time we release him is now, otherwise we keep him till he retires or his contract runs out.

[CRA]

All of that is baseless speculation. There is absolutely no reason to cut him before final cuts at the end of the preseason. We carry 80 roster spots into camp so he isn't taking a spot away from anyone.

He may or may not have anything left. That will be decided in camp and the preseason. It is not unusual at all for athletes to struggle for a year or two after major surgery. Accuracy takes the longest to return and he was never known as that accurate to begin with.

Moore has already said that Jake helped him a lot this year with reads and in film work. Delhomme has conceded he would be fine as the backup and Moore has said they work well together.

Moore has the inside track to start this year. If for whatever reason Jake would somehow start, he would be on a shorter leash than Rodney Peete was on in 2003.

Jake had a horrible year last year no doubt but it remains to be seen whether he is washed up yet. Having 2 guys with starting experience is a huge benefit for us. If for some reason Moore gets injured I would rather have Jake than a no name draft pick or Feeley or McCown as my backup.

When/where did he say that?

[MadHatter]

There is one big reason why it is prudent to cut him this off season.

There is NO cap this season, which will allow us to dump the whole contract and thus all future cap implications as well. If we were to retain him this coming season and the CBA is sorted for the 2011 season, then we all of a sudden have a big cap number sitting on our books. It will be just as costly to cut him from then on and we would incur a huge cap penalty if we released him at any point.

The ONLY time we release him is now, otherwise we keep him till he retires or his contract runs out.

For Cap reasons you are correct. However, this is still cash out of JR's pocket. He would be paying Jake for this year (guaranteed money) and paying another back-up QB.

For that reason, I don't see him being cut.

[KillerKat]

All of that is baseless speculation. There is absolutely no reason to cut him before final cuts at the end of the preseason. We carry 80 roster spots into camp so he isn't taking a spot away from anyone.

He may or may not have anything left. That will be decided in camp and the preseason. It is not unusual at all for athletes to struggle for a year or two after major surgery. Accuracy takes the longest to return and he was never known as that accurate to begin with.

Moore has already said that Jake helped him a lot this year with reads and in film work. Delhomme has conceded he would be fine as the backup and Moore has said they work well together.

Moore has the inside track to start this year. If for whatever reason Jake would somehow start, he would be on a shorter leash than Rodney Peete was on in 2003.

Jake had a horrible year last year no doubt but it remains to be seen whether he is washed up yet. Having 2 guys with starting experience is a huge benefit for us. If for some reason Moore gets injured I would rather have Jake than a no name draft pick or Feeley or McCown as my backup.

Baseless speculation? Did you watch 2009 season? What more proof do you need that Jake is done? Does he have to throw 30 more INTs in order for you to realize he is finished? If you wanna talk about baseless speculation, look at anything you posted last off season about Jake and how off target you were in everything you said.

Lets take a more in depth look at my reasons:

#1 He will be a washed up, over the hill QB taking away snaps from younger and more competant QBs. Therefore making a case for them to stay on the roster that much more difficult.

#2 You don't want him teaching anyone because he has some of the worst mechanics in football. Thrown in with other weaknesses such as scaning the field, reading blitzs, etc. The list goes on and on.

#3 He has nothing left in the tank. He hurt us tremendously last season. What makes you think he can suddenly turn things around if he ever stepped on to the field again? He had 11 games last season to do that and he failed.

#4 With him gone from the roster, the other QBs know they will finally have a legit shot at the starting gig whereas in the past they had a head coach that had been so loyal that it crippled the team.

#5 If he were to find himself on the roster even as a backup, it would be a waste. He would be taking up space that could be filled by a QB that can actually play instead of throwing INTs and hurting the team.

And with a uncapped season, the penalty would be far less. Besides, I dont think Hunter Cantwell would command much money to take Jake's roster spot and I would much rather have him on the final roster than Jake.

All the reasons I gave are more than enough to cut Jake now. They are more logical than anything you have ever typed up as far as Jake goes.

[Davidson Deac II]

For Cap reasons you are correct. However, this is still cash out of JR's pocket. He would be paying Jake for this year (guaranteed money) and paying another back-up QB.

For that reason, I don't see him being cut.

Agreed. I think we will see Jake as the second or maybe even third string QB. Fwiw, he probably will not be any worse in that role than Bulger or some of the other veteran backup's.

[Carolina Crazy V2]

Pie!!!

[panthers55]

There is one big reason why it is prudent to cut him this off season.

There is NO cap this season, which will allow us to dump the whole contract and thus all future cap implications as well. If we were to retain him this coming season and the CBA is sorted for the 2011 season, then we all of a sudden have a big cap number sitting on our books. It will be just as costly to cut him from then on and we would incur a huge cap penalty if we released him at any point.

The ONLY time we release him is now, otherwise we keep him till he retires or his contract runs out.

That is not correct. If we pay him a 10 million dollar signing bonus and a 2.3 million salary for 2010 we won't owe him any guaranteed payments going forward in other words no cap. That is 400 thousand less than the 12.7 we would owe him if we cut him. There are also other options we can exercise which all pay him the same amount. There is no cap reason to cut him at all.

[panthers55]

When/where did he say that?

Go back and look at interviews at the end of the season with Jake and Matt. It is on the Panther.com website.

[DaveThePanther2008]

For Cap reasons you are correct. However, this is still cash out of JR's pocket. He would be paying Jake for this year (guaranteed money) and paying another back-up QB.

For that reason, I don't see him being cut.

If we don't resign McCown then we will most likely sign another veteran QB. I think also like Cantwell and with a year under his belt he might be good enough to fill a backup role.

Go Panthers

[CRA]

Go back and look at interviews at the end of the season with Jake and Matt. It is on the Panther.com website.

only thing I have seen is Jake claiming he wouldn't like it but would keep his mouth shut......not that he would be fine w/ it. Jake didn't seem to be the best cheerleader (when the offical word was he was "benched for injury") either this past season when Moore was having success....most hurt QBs on the sidelines still like to be involved....Jake stayed away from Moore huddling up w/ coaches and Josh.

[panthers55]

Baseless speculation? Did you watch 2009 season? What more proof do you need that Jake is done? Does he have to throw 30 more INTs in order for you to realize he is finished? If you wanna talk about baseless speculation, look at anything you posted last off season about Jake and how off target you were in everything you said.

Lets take a more in depth look at my reasons:

#1 He will be a washed up, over the hill QB taking away snaps from younger and more competant QBs. Therefore making a case for them to stay on the roster that much more difficult.

#2 You don't want him teaching anyone because he has some of the worst mechanics in football. Thrown in with other weaknesses such as scaning the field, reading blitzs, etc. The list goes on and on.

#3 He has nothing left in the tank. He hurt us tremendously last season. What makes you think he can suddenly turn things around if he ever stepped on to the field again? He had 11 games last season to do that and he failed.

#4 With him gone from the roster, the other QBs know they will finally have a legit shot at the starting gig whereas in the past they had a head coach that had been so loyal that it crippled the team.

#5 If he were to find himself on the roster even as a backup, it would be a waste. He would be taking up space that could be filled by a QB that can actually play instead of throwing INTs and hurting the team.

And with a uncapped season, the penalty would be far less. Besides, I dont think Hunter Cantwell would command much money to take Jake's roster spot and I would much rather have him on the final roster than Jake.

All the reasons I gave are more than enough to cut Jake now. They are more logical than anything you have ever typed up as far as Jake goes.

Again none of this new and is the same rehash of what you and a few others having been saying for months. But it is still not any closer to the truth. The reality is Moore will get his snaps with the 1s. If he doesn't it is his fault and no one elses.

Jake may not have the physical skills he once had but there is no evidence that he can't help someone else with film work, reads etc. At my age I can coach someone to play football or a number of other sports but it doesn't mean I can play at that level. Jake is a smart quarterback who understands where to go with the ball. The complaints about locking on a receiver or not distributing the ball are not supported by the facts and we discussed them ad nauseum in the past. For example Smith doesn't get more than 1/3 of Jake's throws. That is pretty consistent with almost every team's number 1 receiver.

And again all the speculation about what he can do in the future is simply that, speculation. I remember those same things being said about Warner and Favre years ago. For some guys it is true, for others it is not. Only time will tell.

As for the cap. I can't find the articles I saved on another computer written by Gantt and one by Pro-football that explained all the options with Jake's contract. But cutting him will save nothing and mean we have to pay someone to replace him. Keeping him and paying the signing bonus is by far the best approach from a financial cap perspective.

[panthers55]

only thing I have seen is Jake claiming he wouldn't like it but would keep his mouth shut......not that he would be fine w/ it. Jake didn't seem to be the best cheerleader (when the offical word was he was "benched for injury") either this past season when Moore was having success....most hurt QBs on the sidelines still like to be involved....Jake stayed away from Moore huddling up w/ coaches and Josh.

What he said is that he would like to be the starter but he realized that given how he played it is understandable they would go in a different direction. he said he was committed to the team and would do whatever he can no matter who starts.

Moore in a season ending interview said he looked forward to next year disspelled the notion that there would be any problems with Jake, said they got along fine and Jake had helped him during his five games starting during the week with prep and during the game.