Sign Burns already

[csx]

Regardless of past mistakes he's not worth it going forward.

[CRA]

25 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Getting rid of talent is the LAST thing this team should do!! You guys wanna save money to go buy some other teams cast aways which makes NO SENSE smdh 

We need to build a completely new team. 

Now isn't the time to overpay an incomplete player that doesn't actually dominate at anything.... and devote a large % of our cap to them. 

[PootieNunu]

Burns would only thrive on a team where he is allowed to only play in obvious passing situations. 

To think he is anything other than a liability against the run is foolish. 

You dont pay these types of guys 30m annually no matter how bad the other guys on the team are.

Edited December 21, 2023 by PootieNunu

[WhoKnows]

47 minutes ago, CRA said:

We need to build a completely new team. 

Now isn't the time to overpay an incomplete player that doesn't actually dominate at anything.... and devote a large % of our cap to them. 

People don’t get it. Same people were more than happy to give away CMC for basically a mid 2nd round pick even though he would have only cost us $10M per year. CMC is an MVP level impact to the team for a 3rd of the price for Burns. I understand getting rid of CMC as well because we should have looked ahead and said we want a rookie QB in the 2023 draft so do what you can to get as high a draft slot as possible and get rid of the expensive players who you can get good to great value for because they aren’t going to matter much in 2023-2025. You are building to have the rookie QB at a playoff level in 2026, maybe 2025 if you are lucky. We half assed it and made every wrong decision. 

[Panther0221]

44 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

People don’t get it. Same people were more than happy to give away CMC for basically a mid 2nd round pick even though he would have only cost us $10M per year. CMC is an MVP level impact to the team for a 3rd of the price for Burns. I understand getting rid of CMC as well because we should have looked ahead and said we want a rookie QB in the 2023 draft so do what you can to get as high a draft slot as possible and get rid of the expensive players who you can get good to great value for because they aren’t going to matter much in 2023-2025. You are building to have the rookie QB at a playoff level in 2026, maybe 2025 if you are lucky. We half assed it and made every wrong decision. 

Problem was getting heart strings and took the lesser of 2 deals so CMC could go make us look stupid in the NFC. We had a 1st round offer on the table if I remember correctly, Fitt justified that BS saying the value= a 1st which was complete crap.

[CamWhoaaCam]

As many know I'm the biggest Burns fan on this board. We have something worth building around with this defense. If we can bring Burns back at a realistic amount do it.

 

If not trade him and move on. 

[BrianS]

55 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

People don’t get it. Same people were more than happy to give away CMC for basically a mid 2nd round pick even though he would have only cost us $10M per year.

Incorrect.  CMC was going to cost us $16M annually.  Because we paid his signing bonus, it accelerated when we traded him and we're paying the rest of it off this year.  That's where his dead cap number with us came from.  San Fran didn't have to take any of that on, so they get him for $10M per year, which is a freaking steal.

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

Incorrect.  CMC was going to cost us $16M annually.  Because we paid his signing bonus, it accelerated when we traded him and we're paying the rest of it off this year.  That's where his dead cap number with us came from.  San Fran didn't have to take any of that on, so they get him for $10M per year, which is a freaking steal.

Nope, I know how the cap works. The signing bonus or any other already paid bonus was on our books. The only variable was when that bonus money hit the cap. It cost SF $10M per year. It would have cost us $10M new money (exactly what SF will pay) per year to keep him. At the point where we traded him, it was get mid 2nd round value and save $10M per year on our cap or keep him and pay the extra $10M per year.

[WhoKnows]

2 hours ago, Panther0221 said:

Problem was getting heart strings and took the lesser of 2 deals so CMC could go make us look stupid in the NFC. We had a 1st round offer on the table if I remember correctly, Fitt justified that BS saying the value= a 1st which was complete crap.

Again, great point that shows how he just didn’t get stuff. SF was 3-4 at the time and the pick looked OK but Fitterer never even thought hey CMC might make them better. SMH, every week our picks dropped more slots. The entire haul was basically worth a mid 2nd round pick. So, no foresight Fitterer traded away CMC for value in between where we took Mingo and Marshall. SMH. 

[BrianS]

48 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Nope, I know how the cap works. The signing bonus or any other already paid bonus was on our books. The only variable was when that bonus money hit the cap. It cost SF $10M per year. It would have cost us $10M new money (exactly what SF will pay) per year to keep him. At the point where we traded him, it was get mid 2nd round value and save $10M per year on our cap or keep him and pay the extra $10M per year.

You're going through a lot of mental gymnastics to make it look like CMC was a 10M a year player for us and he wasn't.  If we kept him, he would have cost us 16M (average) per year - there is no getting around that.  

In terms of THIS year, it would have cost us 2M LESS (18M versus 16M) to keep him than trade him.  Next year we save 16M versus keeping him.

[Carolina Mike]

Time to do a full reset of this team. Gut everyone, replace that losing mindset with fresh players.

[Sir Big Spurr]

18 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

As many know I'm the biggest Burns fan on this board. We have something worth building around with this defense. If we can bring Burns back at a realistic amount do it.

 

If not trade him and move on. 

In your opinion, what is a realistic amount?

[CamWhoaaCam]

45 minutes ago, Sir Big Spurr said:

In your opinion, what is a realistic amount?

Anything below 30mil per year would seem fair to me.

[KSpan]

1 hour ago, Sir Big Spurr said:

In your opinion, what is a realistic amount?

Current Maxx Crosby money IMO, $22-23MM a year. Sweat got $25MM a year w/ $73MM in guarantees and is a much more complete player even if a step down in pure pass rush ability, so I struggle to justify that same amount with Burns, but that seems to be where the market is at. I could see Burns with that total amount but lower guarantees/more incentives.

This is what I've been saying all along, but Burns has made it more obvious for eveyone this year now that all eyes have been on him. Good player who can be great at rushing the passer but is subpar vs the run (but has made some incremental improvement this year) and has not been a major liability playing more coverage this season, appears early in games but vanishes late, doesn't change the game or make big plays at opportune times.

Edited December 22, 2023 by KSpan