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Dan Quinn- Meet the Candidate- Part 5 of 12

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I think it's lucking out on the QB's personally. First the Texans went from trash to playoffs 2 years in a row and now Commanders... It's not about a 7 year rebuild to even achieve a winning record, It's more about the teams actually playing hard if they think their qb is worth a poo and then staying healthy, and then once you get to the Chiefs, having the refs on your side lol. 

 

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1 hour ago, Jackie Lee said:

I think it's lucking out on the QB's personally. First the Texans went from trash to playoffs 2 years in a row and now Commanders... It's not about a 7 year rebuild to even achieve a winning record, It's more about the teams actually playing hard if they think their qb is worth a poo and then staying healthy, and then once you get to the Chiefs, having the refs on your side lol. 

 

Nah. The Commanders were never that awful of a roster. 

 

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3 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

I think it's lucking out on the QB's personally. First the Texans went from trash to playoffs 2 years in a row and now Commanders... It's not about a 7 year rebuild to even achieve a winning record, It's more about the teams actually playing hard if they think their qb is worth a poo and then staying healthy, and then once you get to the Chiefs, having the refs on your side lol. 

Some of the same core from last season are on the Commander’s roster this season. For example, Brian Robinson (RB), Terry McLaurin (WR), Cosmi (RG), Wylie (RT), Allen (DT) and Payne (DT), Wagner (LB) and Martin (S). There’s other carryover too. So they were never a roster devoid of talent, it was more a case they didn’t have a QB and one could argue they were not well coached. If they had this coaching staff and Jayden Daniels on their 2023 roster, then they would have had more than 4 wins. So quick turnarounds can happen if a team drafts well and has a good coaching staff.

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6 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I stand by my comments, gentlemen.

What comments exactly? The one where you damn with faint praise?

"While I agree that there are better candidates to bring that here, let’s look at why Quinn could be that guy to at least stop the bleeding"

Or the one where you make no assertion whatsoever about his potential for success and list every possible outcome?

"Whether he turns out to be a successful McCarthy style retread, the Defensive version of Frank Reich, or a transitional guy who hovers at .500 is yet to be seen."

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The Texans and Commanders HC's are good coaches that have 2 really good QBs and 2 really good OC's. Their problem will be if the OC's leave, it will take a dip, they always do. That's why Tepper wanted an OC for HC. If Bryce turned out good, the long term relationship is key. The exception was Brady in NE but they didn't win every year like look at KC with Mahomes and Reid. Even Peyton Manning had the same OC for over 10 years. 

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6 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

I think it's lucking out on the QB's personally. First the Texans went from trash to playoffs 2 years in a row and now Commanders... It's not about a 7 year rebuild to even achieve a winning record, It's more about the teams actually playing hard if they think their qb is worth a poo and then staying healthy, and then once you get to the Chiefs, having the refs on your side lol. 

 

Who is Alex Bryant and does he know what our roster looked like at the  start of this year?

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14 minutes ago, musicman said:

The Texans and Commanders HC's are good coaches that have 2 really good QBs and 2 really good OC's. Their problem will be if the OC's leave, it will take a dip, they always do. That's why Tepper wanted an OC for HC. If Bryce turned out good, the long term relationship is key. The exception was Brady in NE but they didn't win every year like look at KC with Mahomes and Reid. Even Peyton Manning had the same OC for over 10 years. 

Slowik has not been good at all this year and I wouldn't be surprised if they fired him.   They had the most third and longs in the league this season.

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49 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Who is Alex Bryant and does he know what our roster looked like at the  start of this year?

The people not accepting how terrible our roster is/was are just confounding to me. 

It was so insanely obvious before the season but those of us saying it got insane push back from everyone thinking we had a great draft and offseason. I could never understand that level of delusional optimism. 

It still remains the worst roster in franchise history. Always was going to be.

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1 hour ago, KSpan said:

What comments exactly? The one where you damn with faint praise?

"While I agree that there are better candidates to bring that here, let’s look at why Quinn could be that guy to at least stop the bleeding"

Or the one where you make no assertion whatsoever about his potential for success and list every possible outcome?

"Whether he turns out to be a successful McCarthy style retread, the Defensive version of Frank Reich, or a transitional guy who hovers at .500 is yet to be seen."

Yeah, idk. I just wanted to revisit this tbh.

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      Dan Quinn- Meet the Candidate- Part 5 of 12

      By WhoKnows · Posted

      The Texans also had an abundance of draft picks. Remember they drafted Will Anderson one pick after Stroud. Collins wasn’t much in his 2 seasons prior to Stroud as Davis Mills was terrible. Tank Dell was drafted the same year as Stroud. The Texans draft 7 2024 starters in 2023 and 2024. Add in Nico Collins breakout and Hunter as a defensive stud and you’ve got the roster they have today. Heck, they’ve got multiple starters from 2022 including another probowler. Our drafting looks like poo from 2018-2024 compared to that even with Young looking so much better. They drafted three pro bowlers at the key positions in 2022-2023. I keep saying that our drafting has got to get to another level. Some people think Morgan did a great job this year and someone even posted that even if Coker is a WR3 that it’s a great result as a UDFA. That’s BS. Coker needs to be a good WR2 at worst to make up for missing on first and second rounders at WR for years. Just look at the talent and depth the Texans got in the 2021-2024 drafts to see how much we need to do to really be playoff competitive year in and year out. The Texans look like they are there and a large part of that is “tanking” while starting Mills and trading Watson while he was worth something. We didn’t do that so we need to actually hit (XL and Brooks don’t count as a hit draft) on every draft while Young is still on a rookie deal.
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      More importantly, it depends on who the retread’s QB is. Those dimes dropped were all Daniels. The OC, HC and QB coach, etc. had no impact on Daniels having his arm talent and skills. Coaches can help mold them but sometimes you’ve got a QB who transcends everything. McDermott didn’t make Allen and Reid couldn’t get all the way with Smith like he did with Mahomes.
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      Umm, just to remind you, Cam Newton only has 3 career playoff wins and one of those was against a 3rd string QB with 3 TDs and 11 INTs in his career. Daniels is phenomenal and we were unlucky enough to pass on Stroud and trade away a pick that was one before Daniels. That said, don’t throw stones in glass houses. Saying Daniels is great doesn’t need to make fun of a QB whose playoff results remind us of our own historical playoff results.
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