Frank Reich was the fall guy

[TheBigKat]

I'd take the fall, have no problem with everyone laughing at me if you paid me $40 million. I'd keep my mouth shut and sit and stew in my poo

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, thennek said:

Review the Panthers since Tepper bought the team and it is easy to see the problem with the Panthers was not Frank. It started long before he became the HC. The only surprising thing to me is that Frank did not see this while he was interviewing. 

I think he really wanted to "come home" and finish his journey here.

Absolutely hate how it wound up

[HardcoreHokie]

12 minutes ago, thennek said:

Review the Panthers since Tepper bought the team and it is easy to see the problem with the Panthers was not Frank. It started long before he became the HC. 

Since new ownership 5 years ago:

GM: Marty Hurney, (Scott Fitterer?)

HC: Ron Rivera, Matt Rhule, Steve Wilks, Frank Reich, (Chris Tabor?)

OC: Norv Turner, Joe Brady, Ben McAdoo, (Thomas Brown?)

Consistency at its finest.

 

[mrcompletely11]

I think its clearly obvious now all things considered that Reich and Brown built a playbook then Young was drafted.   Young looked good in camp up until the jets practice and then things fell completely apart and they figured out that Young has severe limitations.  I think the preseason games solidified this and looking back on the things they said after the fact and then when Fitt came out trying to temper expectations we should have known this was going to be a poo show.  They knew they couldnt change the offense on the fly and were stuck.  Reich knew he was a dead man walking.

 

With that said I really wonder what is the ideal offense for young, a mid 90s walsh style wco version of super quick throws and a pass catching back out of the backfield?   For this to work then young needs to operate under center more which is still an iffy proposition. 

 

Also for the wco that means we have to totally overhaul the offensive line as there is not a man on the roster it seems that has the agility or speed needed for it

[The Natural]

Why are we trying to pretend Frank was some amazing coach in the first place? Check out Indianapolis message boards and it might open your eyes a bit. Hell, listen to the interview with Jeff Saturday about what the culture was like when he took over for Frank.

[Eazy-E]

1 hour ago, Bear Hands said:

Tepper hired an old school technician to repair a hybrid car in a plane falling from the sky with no pilots on board.

It’s more like Tepper hired an average technician and forced him to try and turn a Toyota Prius into an F1 car.

[BenjaminBreeg]

This is highly probably the case. The signs were all there along the way. 

1) It's beyond dispute that Tepper and Fitterer left the cupboard bare. You can't blame Frank for that.

2) Back in March, Frank was rumored to have wanted Stroud, but Tepper wanted Bryce. Tepper got his way.

3) Tepper believes Bryce is an elite processor who doesn't need good weapons to throw to because he is like a point guard who distributes the ball. All the team needs is an elite processor at QB, and everything will work out just like that! Easy peasy, you see? Very simple stuff.

4) All the rumors and first-person accounts describe Tepper as a head-strong micromanager who endlessly meddles and undermines in order to force the coaching staff to implement his Tepper Ball. 

I do believe Frank had wanted Stroud, but he was overruled by Tepper. When Bryce reported to training camp and showed off his noodle arm and his patented midget-hop footwork, there must have been a giant OH-POO moment as the coaches came to the realization that Bryce couldn't make the throws required by the playbook, so they scrambled to tear pages and pages out of the playbook in an effort to dumb it down and cater to our noodle armed S2 super-processor. At some point, Frank probably approached Tepper to recommend that Dalton start while Bryce learns and corrects his footwork, but again Tepper overruled him, because Tepper wanted to implement his vision of gridiron basketball.

And the rest is history.

 

[Brooklyn 3.0]

Definitely not an elite NFL coach ... but definitely not the reason Young has been a failure. He simply piled on to the failure and didn't try to fix it.

Same with the O-Line. Not elite. But do we ever talk about the plays when Young isn't "running for his life"? No. And same with the WRs. Elite? lol. But they've been open just as much as they haven't (ask Kurt Warner). All you need to do is look at the Dalton game. We go back and forth and back and forth on here but all you need to do is look at that ONE game.

Young is the problem. Can he improve? Of course! Will he? No idea. We'll find out next season. But for the love of mug, stop blaming a man who knows how to coach better than each and every one of us, stop blaming an O-Line that has indeed done their job from time to time, and stop blaming our WRs when Andy showed us all that they can have a nice game. Blame the one guy who has only shown he can play well once ... our one win ... and even in that game you can point to other things that led us to a victory.

[PootieNunu]

3 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Definitely not an elite NFL coach ... but definitely not the reason Young has been a failure. He simply piled on to the failure and didn't try to fix it.

Same with the O-Line. Not elite. But do we ever talk about the plays when Young isn't "running for his life"? No. And same with the WRs. Elite? lol. But they've been open just as much as they haven't (ask Kurt Warner). All you need to do is look at the Dalton game. We go back and forth and back and forth on here but all you need to do is look at that ONE game.

Young is the problem. Can he improve? Of course! Will he? No idea. We'll find out next season. But for the love of mug, stop blaming a man who knows how to coach better than each and every one of us, stop blaming an O-Line that has indeed done their job from time to time, and stop blaming our WRs when Andy showed us all that they can have a nice game. Blame the one guy who has only shown he can play well once ... our one win ... and even in that game you can point to other things that led us to a victory.

If Luvu's mom had not been attending her first game ever we are still winless. He was everywhere. 

[WhoKnows]

27 minutes ago, The Natural said:

Why are we trying to pretend Frank was some amazing coach in the first place? Check out Indianapolis message boards and it might open your eyes a bit. Hell, listen to the interview with Jeff Saturday about what the culture was like when he took over for Frank.

No poo. It’s amazing how much the narrative has changed from before the draft and right after the draft to now. As if Brown didn’t discuss QBs as point guard in February. As if Fitterer didn’t say around the draft that he was locked on Young for 2 years. As if Reich did say he wanted Young the day after the draft. No idea why people want to make up excuses. It really weird that a 1-12 shot show has to have one bad guy that puppeteered everything instead of realizing we have a poo ass GM who helped in the hiring process of a poo ass coach and a poo ass owner who hasn’t made a correct hire yet.

I mean we have threads and posts about rehiring Wills and Rivera. I can’t remember the exact wording, but we are the most delusional fans who cling onto the last good (or just not bad) thing as if we were a multi-SB winning franchise.

[Khyber53]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's a narrative I'm not going to be too surprised to see people take up.

Frank certainly did some things wrong, but there's an argument to be made that he just put in a terrible position.

A few million bucks at retirement age will probably wipe away a fair number of tears. Not all of them, but many just the same.

[Johnstonny]

Dipper is a fk stick...he doesn't know what hes doing...

[Ricky Prickles]

24 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

It’s more like Tepper hired an average technician and forced him to try and turn a Toyota Prius into an F1 car.

You have got to love a Toyota Prius!

[Johnstonny]

Yea...Frank... why would dipper think he was worth a damn...he has access to google...Dipper is a fk stick...if you havent' heard...