A more fair statement...

[Jbro]

I agree with many of the things said... but I have to add...threats are threats and never was any one of them even remotely acted upon! Easy to say from thousands of miles away...but like posted earlier...he threatened, but he always came back to the huddle and it never took long for most to figure out it was him!!!! His threats were also surrounded by very generous offerings at tailgates....weird combination!

1)Even if he did not follow through communicating threats is illegal in North Carolina (prob everywhere just know in NC for sure)

2)Threatening to hurt/kill someone is a VERY serious matter regardless of if you follow through. Would you threaten to kill someone?

Look I talked to Clifton less then 48 hrs before his suicide and I had missed calls from him less then 24 hrs before. I have told him everything I am posting. He was good to me but on the flip side very very sick even though he did not "follow through" to people that I, my wife & kids care for very much for and are very close therefor I can not defend those actions whatsoever.

[Darth Biscuit]

Clifton was obviously a troubled individual in different ways... I never saw that side of him as some of you obviously did. My point in the other thread was well taken I think... that it was a place to mourn the passing of that individual, not discuss his downfalls and demons. This thread, on the other hand, is an appropriate place to discuss those things... obviously some people on the board had issues with some of the things he did and said over the years. Hopefully as Pstall said, we can all learn from this and be better people both on here and in real life.

[Hawk]

come on JBro...we aren't gonna start talking about what's legal and what's not are we? And no, I'm not one to threaten people either...we've already established there was plenty of instability on his part. I was trying to make the point that there was never any actions taken is all.

Part I find weird is he was still on the huddle and he still attended the tailgates...and now, he hasn't even been laid to rest yet and people wanna start!

[Mr. Scot]

Clifton was obviously a troubled individual in different ways... I never saw that side of him as some of you obviously did. My point in the other thread was well taken I think... that it was a place to mourn the passing of that individual, not discuss his downfalls and demons. This thread, on the other hand, is an appropriate place to discuss those things... obviously some people on the board had issues with some of the things he did and said over the years. Hopefully as Pstall said, we can all learn from this and be better people both on here and in real life.

I have little to no personal involvement with posters on here outside of this format (to the point some folks don't believe I am who I say I am) so when stuff like this goes on I'm pretty much always out of the loop on it.

Obviously, in some cases, that's a good thing.

[Guest CatofWar]

Threatening to hurt/kill someone is a VERY serious matter regardless of if you follow through. Would you do it?

Serious to who? The person on the recieving end of a threat, sure. I can only imagine how terriying it must be to have some one threaten you on a message board. Women excluded, fellas ya need to grow a set. Out of the 100's or so threats I have recieved to my face, one was followed through on. They guys that like to mouth off are all mostly all mouth. They guys who are quiet are the ones to be concerned with.

[scpanther22]

Clifton was obviously a troubled individual in different ways... I never saw that side of him as some of you obviously did. My point in the other thread was well taken I think... that it was a place to mourn the passing of that individual, not discuss his downfalls and demons. This thread, on the other hand, is an appropriate place to discuss those things... obviously some people on the board had issues with some of the things he did and said over the years. Hopefully as Pstall said, we can all learn from this and be better people both on here and in real life.

But who are we to "discuss" a persons demons...If he was so bad why wait till now to say something.IMO

[Darth Biscuit]

I have little to no personal involvement with posters on here outside of this format (to the point some folks don't believe I am who I say I am) so when stuff like this goes on I'm pretty much always out of the loop on it.

Obviously, in some cases, that's a good thing.

Yeah, maybe so... but as I said in one of the other threads... if someone had told me even two years ago that I would meet as many GOOD friends as I have on an internet message board, I probably would have laughed at them... I've really only been on here posting seriously for about two years, so I don't know a lot of the history of the board and who said what, when, etc. I'm just going by what I've seen while I have been on here and Electro was always nice to me... I met the guy in person and he seemed genuine... that's all I know.

I love the fact that I've met and made such good friends on here... some I've met in real life, some I haven't... yet.

[scpanther22]

Serious to who? The person on the recieving end of a threat, sure. I can only imagine how terriying it must be to have some one threaten you on a message board. Women excluded, fellas ya need to grow a set. Out of the 100's or so threats I have recieved to my face, one was followed through on. They guys that like to mouth off are all mostly all mouth. They guys who are quiet are the ones to be concerned with.

This is what I was thinking.If these were just internet threats then I dont care about that.

[Samuel L. Jackson]

I'm pretty sure, my statements in the other threads expressed my true feelings on the situation, even though I had never met the man...

That said, in some twisted form that I call my own sense of humor, I have been waiting for someone to jump at the chance to use this at some point in one of these threads...

:beatdeadhorse5:

I certainly hope you can all take that for what it is... twisted humor...

Again, I never knew the man and it was a very tragic situation on all fronts (one that made me even question my own reactions should I be faced with a similar situation), but from the sounds of it, electro himself might have even appreciated the humor in that...

It seems that this is a tense time for some, and that is completely understandable, but at some point, we all have to get past it and move on...

Sorry if some of you think I am more of an asshole now... I'm really not...

[PanthersOnTheGround]

troubled is certainly a great word...and don't get me wrong, I'm very happy that he never followed through on any of his threats too...I'm just saying there was a trend of many threats made and zero threats followed through.

I wonder if he threatened the woman he was convicted of assaulting some years ago....

quit defending the guy. And if people dont like him being scrutinized then they shouldnt bring it up on a public interweb forum....all of it signs of the times i guess..

[CosmoGirl]

He was banned from tailgates for awhile and then one of his buddies sponsored one and he came and then just started coming.

SCPanther, they weren't just internet tough guy kind of threats. Calls, IMs, PMs.

Once on here he told of how a meter reader came to his house and he had his dog attack the guy and he actually fired a warning shot. People who speak seriously about their fire power aren't to be taken with the grain of salt.

[Guest CatofWar]

But who are we to "discuss" a persons demons...If he was so bad why wait till now to say something.IMO

cowards.

[scpanther22]

I have little to no personal involvement with posters on here outside of this format (to the point some folks don't believe I am who I say I am) so when stuff like this goes on I'm pretty much always out of the loop on it.

Obviously, in some cases, that's a good thing.

Are you still Gantt or are you someone else now??

[Darth Biscuit]

But who are we to "discuss" a persons demons...If he was so bad why wait till now to say something.IMO

Well, that's a personal choice I guess... I think you get my point though... this thread is a more appropriate place than his memorial thread to discuss this type of thing...

I'm of a mind that, even if I had a problem with someone... once they've passed, it's done... but some people like to talk stuff out, so be it...