A more fair statement...

[Samuel L. Jackson]

I know I bowed out of this thread a while back, but here I am again...

I remember the couch episode, although I didn't know it got all that serious in private channels...

Aside from that, all I have to add from my earlier posts is this:

CatofWar - you gotta learn when to drop things and walk away...

AK - you're still an idiot, even though you had some signs of improvement before the past week

KillerKat - I know what you're trying to say sometimes even though it doesn't come across to others the way you mean it... I think I fall in that category too...

Cosmo, GTG, and anyone else that ever really felt threatened - I am so sorry... This should never happen anywhere, especially a place to come talk about the Panthers

Meat - I would have repped you for the "8 more lives" comment, but I can't

anybody else I missed - sorry... I'll get back with you later...

Overall, I am glad this thread exists... Its been a good place for people to get things off their chests, and a good place to show that everything shouldn't always be seen with rose-tinted glasses... It has also had, even mixed within it's serious moments, some of the funniest lines in Huddle history...

[Zod]

To answer the question as to why he was allowed to post here, we spent weeks banning dozens of usernames and IPs and he kept just coming back. There is only so much we can do if someone really wants to be here.

[pantherdad]

I'll just say, I am a little shocked. I am relatively new to the Huddle, and knew Clif long before I came here. I can say I NEVER saw the bad side of him, and I feel bad for the people that he did show aggression to. He did nothing but good things for me and my boys, and never failed to ask how the family was doing.

See, alot of the threats and things that happened on here before I joined, I never even knew about, but heard small rumblings of them from time to time. I choose to celebrate the good of his life, and hope he found peace before he died. I'll admit, I was getting a little pissed at some of the things that were said about him the last couple days, but now I know why.

But like some people have said on here, he had the ability to be good, and more than not showed it. So now, I have seen both sides of the coin and am a little upset, but it is something you can still take something from and learn.

I will be leaving my tribute sig up just until the end of this week as my own little tribute to him, who I called a friend, and I hope not to offend anyone.

I just hope with Clifs passing, no grudges will be held, and all can be somewhat forgiven. A good man once said, 'Can't we all just get along?"

[Darth Biscuit]

Wow, it took me 30 minutes to read this whole thread from where I left it last night... I'm glad you guys left it open. This stuff does need to be discussed.

I feel I'm in the middle ground on this too... I wasn't here to see the threats and the bad side of Clifton, I only saw the good side. I too am sorry that it went down the way it did with you guys that were threatened, it shouldn't be that way. I didn't see anything like that from him as Electro... I wonder why?

I know he had personal issues that he dealt with his entire life... that does not excuse threatening anyone however, but it does shed light on why those things happened. In the end, I hate that it came to him taking his own life, it's just sad.

[Carolina Husker]

9Lives was too unstable to handle the internet properly. You think filing police reports would have made a difference to his threats on here to real people he somehow found personal information about? There's a reason a lot of us were not surprised to hear the news of his death and all the sad details. In all honesty, I'm surprised it wasn't worse.

[Sultan33g]

never knew about any of this stuff till recently...im still shocked about everything.

[SmootsDaddy89]

The whole thing is just. . .weird.

I got in his poo plenty of times. I never got more than a neg rep from him. And the message would always have a at the end.

[Carolina Husker]

neg rep

[MadHatter]

The girlfriend and I have had this particular discussion. I was trying to "fix things" for her when all she really needed to do was talk things out. Took me a while to accept that.

For most of us, the thought of threatening or hurting a woman or a child offends our manhood. It's not the kind of thing we want to go unpunished, even though in some situations that's what ends up happening. In cases like GTG's, sometimes just removing yourself is the best option for your family.

We hate it, but it's reality.

Yep.

Women don't want you to bring them a glass of water. They just want for you to understand about dry mouthedness.

[MadHatter]

I have been around for several years. However, I can honestly say that I was unaware of this extreme dark side.

I saw some of the tirades on threads. But, I thought they were just that....blowing off steam on a thread. I never even imagined there were personal threats that were followed up by more.

I only saw the good side during the tailgates....my eyes have been opened to how unstable and truly troubled I believe he was.

[SCP]

Sorry PStall, no one did anything that warranted him threatening men women and children with violence. Pointing it back on us is completely baseless.

No one is saying I told you so either, but I do agree this is a learning experience for some of us.

I wonder if he ever showed up to a tailgate with a gun in his truck?

He threatened me one time way back when I first joined in 2005 over some dumb stuff, but came back later and was apologetic. Said he wanted to meet me at a tailgate and settle things or something like that. I never thought much of it though. Never can tell I guess.

All that matters is he was always send me nice PMs to see how things were going, so no hard feelings on my end.

[cookinwithgas]

This thread has been a little spooky.....but it's definitely helped me understand a lot of you people that are still living better.

I've met people here on the Huddle...and although I had a little trepidation everyone was really cool. (Not you SouthCak I knew you would be a good guy)

But it is always a big step to meet anonymous people from the Internet in real life.

I always knew there were some things going on with posters and the great women we have here, but had no clue about the details. It all makes a lot of sense to me now. If I had really thought electro was so unbalanced I probably would not have goaded him as much as I did.

He was clearly a person with a ton of issues, as most of us, not deserving of total adoration or total villification. A person is not born evil, it's clear that electro was created to be the person he was. He obviously knew he could not control his antisocial behavior, so he tried to make up for it with extra acts of generosity to people that he did not have to interact with all the time - he sounded like a frustrated lonely man that maybe had some issues dealing with women and somehow felt that the internet was an appropriate place to vent those feelings. Like most of us, Panthers game day was an important, fun thing to look forward to, but for him it was probably a lot more as it gave him a chance to completely escape whatever issues he had and be someone else for a while; that's why so many people only have good memories of him here.

In the end he is a sad ending to a sad story, and something that none of us here will ever really totally understand which sucks.

[MadHatter]

This thread has been a little spooky.....but it's definitely helped me understand a lot of you people that are still living better.

I've met people here on the Huddle...and although I had a little trepidation everyone was really cool. (Not you SouthCak I knew you would be a good guy)

But it is always a big step to meet anonymous people from the Internet in real life.

I always knew there were some things going on with posters and the great women we have here, but had no clue about the details. It all makes a lot of sense to me now. If I had really thought electro was so unbalanced I probably would not have goaded him as much as I did.

He was clearly a person with a ton of issues, as most of us, not deserving of total adoration or total villification. A person is not born evil, it's clear that electro was created to be the person he was. He obviously knew he could not control his antisocial behavior, so he tried to make up for it with extra acts of generosity to people that he did not have to interact with all the time - he sounded like a frustrated lonely man that maybe had some issues dealing with women and somehow felt that the internet was an appropriate place to vent those feelings. Like most of us, Panthers game day was an important, fun thing to look forward to, but for him it was probably a lot more as it gave him a chance to completely escape whatever issues he had and be someone else for a while; that's why so many people only have good memories of him here.

In the end he is a sad ending to a sad story, and something that none of us here will ever really totally understand which sucks.

Holy crap....nice post.

Never would have thought a Flaming Liberal like you could connect with a Capitalist Pig like me.

Just kidding...CWG, I don't agree with alot that you post in the Tinderbox. However, I do enjoy reading your views that are so different than mine. You do make me stop and think sometimes with what you say. Then I go look at my portfolio and revert back to my Corporate Yummy ways. :piggy:

[pantherdad]

I guess sometimes you really don't know a person........

So has anyone learned from this? or does anyone care? if you need help, mental, physical, emotional, by all means, go get it, before it's too late. Cliff was living proof. I think in the end, his somewhat mental state and failing health was too much for him to bear.

I guess everyone that was associated with him in a good way, lets just remember him as such, and the people that were wronged by him, well, forgive and forget. He's passed on, so don't hold grudges.