A more fair statement...

[Go To Girl]

Well kiddos - it's way past my bedtime. I may end up treating this whole thing the same way I did the Saints SB win - it shall never be spoken of again. I haven't been entirely successful doing that though.

[rodeo]

3. Clifton was a good o'le boy...

in light of this new evidence i feel the issue can be put to rest.

if only he had explained this to the cops, everything could've been avoided.

[Go To Girl]

oh yeah - there was a boat involved in the whole thing as well.....and didn't you end up giving that couch to a battered women's shelter or something awful like that...ya bitch

[Mr. Scot]

It's wonderful that there are men in this world who believe this. Unfortunately, there are men out there who do not and treat women like they're lesser species.

Women need to air out their grievances to "fix" what ails them - it's called talking and we do it well.

There are times when men's need to "fix" the problem is not the solution, it lends to more talking so women can "fix" their problems themselves.

:ciappa:

I am being sarcastic....please see the smilie!

The girlfriend and I have had this particular discussion. I was trying to "fix things" for her when all she really needed to do was talk things out. Took me a while to accept that.

For most of us, the thought of threatening or hurting a woman or a child offends our manhood. It's not the kind of thing we want to go unpunished, even though in some situations that's what ends up happening. In cases like GTG's, sometimes just removing yourself is the best option for your family.

We hate it, but it's reality.

[CosmoGirl]

Why can't we recover the couch thread? That was would provide hours of entertainment.

[God]

I unfortunately was not around to read said couch thread.

[2manytoys]

you mean plain white like this one....

[ladypanther]

I have been very nice in other threads because of the family. I feel bad for them. I had a great deal of compassion for them. However now, I also have to support Huddlers for whom I have a great deal of respect.

I have extensive experience in mental health. I have evaluated and treated victims of all kinds, people with addictions, personality disorders, people who are psychotic, criminals and killers.

Clifton/9lives/electro scared me. (Which is not easy). There is a defining thread which was lost in the crash that should scare everyone here. I was comforted because he could not find out who I was or where I lived.....but there were a couple of tailgates that I worried about violence. I was watching constantly for 9lives with the thought he might show up with guns.

Some of you have mentioned that 9lives also said he would kill cops who came on his property.....or something similar. Unbelievably..some of you have defined this as heroic. Well his life ending with violence should end any defense that his violent threats to any one on this board were benign.

Clifton/9lives made many violent pointed threats here. There are people who know his life and death are tragic, who, however are relieved that their fear is over.....and odds are there are more of them out in the world, not just on this forum.

I am sad for Clifton's death and for his life. But at this point I have more compassion for the good people that he terrorized. I am relieved that he did not hurt anyone here. It is ludicrous to use that fact to define him as harmless.

9lives/Clifton was complicated. He was troubled. But sadly he was dangerous. The reality is that while he could be nice when he wanted to, he also terrorized people here who did not agree with him....mostly women. What does that tell you?

[Zod]

good post lp

[SmootsDaddy89]

Wow. Never heard about this stuff.

I know - second hand - of an incident from another board where a couple of guys battling back and forth over football stuff actually escalated into real world violence.

Guy number one was a former college football player and, as you can imagine, a fairly big fellow.

Guy number two was, shall we say, a piece of work.

This fellow was a know-it-all, internet tough guy (think G-Man, only worse). He was always throwing personal attacks at people, never admitted to even the possibility of being wrong, and often used personal details of peoples lives to criticize them (one poor fellow who admitted to having had awful bouts with alcoholism always got that thrown in his face when they debated). Number Two also often claimed to work for a national football publication, but wouldn't name which one. Nobody believed him, of course, but he insisted it was true and used it as a way to say that he was better than the rest of us.

At some point, after a particularly heated squabble, Number Two got up the guts to meet Number One at an appointed spot for a fight. You can probably guess the result.

The fellow who told me the story said the loudmouth guy didn't know when to quit. As a result, the big guy beat him down so badly that he ended up feeling sorry for him and was remorseful over the whole thing.

I'd tussled with guy number two once or twice before (he even PM'd me) but I couldn't believe he'd actually been willing to get physical with someone, and all over football message board arguments.

As I'm sure someone will say, the internet is serious business :sosp:

lol Colin

[Bo In Monroe]

I was the first one offered that damn couch. I remember him stepping in from there and ohhh boy did things get interesting. I'm happy to sit on the floor...............

[Carolina Husker]

I'm with Zod on this one.

I received several not-so-thinly veiled death threats from 9Lives over the past 3 years or so in posts and in PMs. He made several mentions that he knew where I sat in Panthers games and that security doesn't find everything in heavy jackets. And I won't name names, but I know Zod and I aren't the only ones.

So when I hear that they find dead animals and high powered weapons on his property, I'm very glad he didn't decide to take anyone else out with him.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Anytime ak and catofwar are on the same side of an issue, you can pretty much bet it's the most asinine thing you've ever read.

What interests me the most is how hard CatOfWar fought to defend the inappropriate actions of a man he never really knew.

The obvious explanation is that CatOfWar liked electro. A lot. He probably saw a lot of himself in electro (they're both batshit crazy, paranoid, schizophrenic lunatics.)

Calling electro unstable and pointing out how he did horrible things is like forcing CatOfWar to look in a mirror and see the elephant man staring back at him.

[Zod]

Anytime ak and catofwar are on the same side of an issue, you can pretty much bet it's the most asinine thing you've ever read.

very astute observation.

lol