Sick of Losing…Do you have Patience for a Slow 2024.

[FuFuLamePoo]

Yeah, it's badly needed though. Part of the reason we are in this mess is because ever since Tepper got here he's refused to do a proper rebuild. When Rhule came in that was the year to really strip the roster down. The core like Cam, Luke, Olsen, TD had all moved on. We needed a clean, proper, patient rebuild then. But Tepper has continuously chased short term gains and it's one reason we're so low on proper draft capital/resources right now.

Fitterer absolutely has got to go. We are literally starting on square one. I'm not lying when I say this isn't too far off from an expansion roster. We have to be patient and do this the right way without making any reactionary moves.

I've used this example, but look at the Lions. When they traded Stafford they were more or less starting over. They had probably the worst roster in the league it was absolutely putrid. But they had a vision. In three years they found guys like Sewell, ARSB, LaPorta, Hutchinson, Campbell, Gibbs, etc. They've gone from a dumpster to 9-3 in basically three years. Because when Campbell got hired he had a vision for the team he wanted to build and he has not wavered.

It doesn't have to take long. You can turn things around rapidly in this league. But for the love of God stop trading away draft capital. Accept you're starting on day one and hire a new HC + GM that understand they will be given a few seasons to get this thing going in the right direction. I agree with others though. Five wins would be a massive success next year, then maybe pushing for .500 in 2025.

[AggieLean]

No choice but to be patient. This team is a ways off. We still don’t know if the QB we drafted at #1 is the right guy.

 

Buckle up. I wouldn’t blame anyone for getting off this train ride. I, unfortunately, am too scared and loyal to get off this train. 

[rayzor]

34 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

No choice but to be patient. This team is a ways off. We still don’t know if the QB we drafted at #1 is the right guy.

 

Buckle up. I wouldn’t blame anyone for getting off this train ride. I, unfortunately, am too scared and loyal to get off this train. 

kind of generous to be calling this a train ride being that we aren't going anywhere so no need to buckle up. we're stuck in the station. it's ok to get off the train and go sightseeing somewhere since it will still likely be sitting here still when you're done.

[raleigh-panther]

19 hours ago, Johnstonny said:

...that snake undoubtedly has to go....

Yep…the snake that said

1. all the Panthers had to do ‘drop a qb in and go’ and own the South 

2.  that he didn’t think they would ‘be drafting in the top 10 next year’ inferring they would be doing so well with the talent they had, would be a top 10 team…not because he traded the pick  away.

3. That he had ‘CONVICTION’ on Young and yet suddenly had concerns on Young’s footwork.  He is forever believes this kid could be Wilson   He will never be Wilson    He is neither elusive ir quick. 

4. Who singlehanded gave away every decent offensive weapon they had and brought in the likes of Chark, Sanders, Hurst and oh yeah, let Gilmore and Riddick walk too and failed to get any true receivers to stretch the field …and selected nothing on the drafts to help that situation 

5  who failed to match personnel to system 

6  failed with decent backups to the oline 

7  failed in drafts

8  supposedly ratted on the coach he helped get fired 

the list is very very long 

Snake is the right term but he and Tepper appear to be fug buddies so I expect no changes   I don’t even want Morgan kept because he and Tepper are pals 

if they do not clean house and bring in known competent people, it’s over for me  however the Panthers won’t miss me in any case. 

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by raleigh-panther

[Johnstonny]

9 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Yep…the snake that said

1. all the Panthers had to do ‘drop a qb in and go’ and own the South 

2.  that he didn’t think they would ‘be drafting in the top 10 next year’ inferring they would be doing so well with the talent they had, would be a top 10 team…not because he traded the pick  away.

3. That he had ‘CONVICTION’ on Young and yet suddenly had concerns on Young’s footwork.  He is forever believes this kid could be Wilson   He will never be Wilson    He is neither elusive ir quick. 

4. Who singlehanded gave away every decent offensive weapon they had and brought in the likes of Chark, Sanders, Hurst and oh yeah, let Gilmore and Riddick walk too and failed to get any true receivers to stretch the field …and selected nothing on the drafts to help that situation 

5  who failed to match personnel to system 

6  failed with decent backups to the oline 

7  failed in drafts

8  supposedly ratted on the coach he helped get fired 

the list is very very long 

Snake is the right term but he and Tepper appear to be fug buddies so I expect no changes   I don’t even want Morgan kept because he and Tepper are pals 

if they do not clean house and bring in known competent people, it’s over for me  however the Panthers won’t miss me in any case. 

 

I mean dipper is a total dick but this guy has been advising him wrong for a long time and is the main reason we've spiraled since he took over... If dipper fired Reich for his body of work...he damn sure should put Fitt on a train outta here...

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Yeah, it's badly needed though. Part of the reason we are in this mess is because ever since Tepper got here he's refused to do a proper rebuild. When Rhule came in that was the year to really strip the roster down. The core like Cam, Luke, Olsen, TD had all moved on. We needed a clean, proper, patient rebuild then. But Tepper has continuously chased short term gains and it's one reason we're so low on proper draft capital/resources right now.

Fitterer absolutely has got to go. We are literally starting on square one. I'm not lying when I say this isn't too far off from an expansion roster. We have to be patient and do this the right way without making any reactionary moves.

I've used this example, but look at the Lions. When they traded Stafford they were more or less starting over. They had probably the worst roster in the league it was absolutely putrid. But they had a vision. In three years they found guys like Sewell, ARSB, LaPorta, Hutchinson, Campbell, Gibbs, etc. They've gone from a dumpster to 9-3 in basically three years. Because when Campbell got hired he had a vision for the team he wanted to build and he has not wavered.

It doesn't have to take long. You can turn things around rapidly in this league. But for the love of God stop trading away draft capital. Accept you're starting on day one and hire a new HC + GM that understand they will be given a few seasons to get this thing going in the right direction. I agree with others though. Five wins would be a massive success next year, then maybe pushing for .500 in 2025.

Preaching to the choir. We fuged up the rebuild royally. Your Lions example is something that one of the no tank/don’t trade Burns holdouts argued with me about. I used them as one of my examples of a team that got rid of their best player (Stafford) for picks and the team improved. Plenty more recent examples but the Lions got multiple firsts to help with their rebuild and it worked. Add in having some high picks like Sewell and Hutchinson, extra picks and some good drafting in day 2/3 like St. Brown and La Porta and you get talented quick. Instead of building up picks we gave up multiple firsts and seconds and thirds, etc. and also drafted poorly and are the worst team in the league by 2 games.

[PghPanther]

Panthers have already hit rock bottom this year.

But......hey!!

There's a new cinematic season of football coming in 2024!

............look for it by its relevant title name.

"Panthers minus 1" 

Edited December 8, 2023 by PghPanther

[Greatman77]

Honestly will probably keep watching, the beginning of games anyway, but won't be shy about turning the TV off and doing something else as soon as it looks like another boring loss in the making. The 2024 season is looking pretty dire.

[kungfoodude]

20 hours ago, Panthercougar68 said:

This is a general question, with a whole new regime do you watch the panthers with patience in 2024 or throw out the “it’s Dave’s fault” when we have losses. I think it’s partly the teams fault that they gave us expectations for 2023 but I kinda view it as 2020 again and we don’t know what to expect.

Keep Pounding.

Based on the recent Athletic article, I think we can safely say 98% of our current struggles are his fault.