It's an organizational problem

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Hasn’t the weekly meeting been a thing since he got here? 
Rivera and Rhule both said they would have weekly meetings. 
I don’t know why people are making a big deal out of this. 
I am very certain other teams HC have weekly meetings. We are not unique. 

I bet it's very much not the norm for NFL HCs to be having weekly one on one sit downs with the owner during the season.

[Tbe]

52 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I bet it's very much not the norm for NFL HCs to be having weekly one on one sit downs with the owner during the season.

It’s not but it happens. I read how Doug Pederson had to sit in weekly meetings with the eagles owner and Howie Roseman during their superbowl year going over every decision made during the previous game.

The gist was the eagles were a complete sh@t show, but lucked into a good GM and coach.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Tbe

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, Tbe said:

The gist was the eagles were a complete sh@t show, but lucked into a good GM and coach.

That's what it'll take for us. Just the luck of Tepper stumbling into the right people and for them to overcome his meddling and have enough early success to actually earn his trust. It's a real long shot.

[SmokinwithWilly]

The team needs a direction, a bedrock principal to stand on. Everything needs to be based on that. And it needs to be followed regardless of who walks in the door. Right now, it's whatever whim happens to strike. 

That's why keep pounding has meant so much to so many fans. We understand what it means, what it embodies. It's everything you have, every day. Fans gave, players gave. You could see it in certain players more than others. 

When you think of Keep Pounding, names like Sam, Cam, TD, Luke, Beason, Olsen, Kalil, Smitty, and so on, come to mind immediately. 

There's very little, if any of that present in the leadership of this team and its something this franchise needs desperately. I love what keep pounding represents. But for this franchise, I think accountability needs to be the focus. Be accountable for your decisions, as well as the results.

It starts at the top. Here's looking at you Dave. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

At some point the abysmal failure has to either get old or get embarrassing or both. Surely failing this miserably has to stop being fun at some point.

Oh, I think he cares, and for the reason that it feeds his ego.

Sure it's about money too, the when's the last time in NFL owner lost money?

If it were only about the money, he wouldn't be so hands-on. But just like when he first started, he still wants to show everybody he's the smartest guy in the room.

Might take a while, though

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Oh, I think he cares, and for the reason that it feeds his ego.

Sure it's about money too, the when's the last time in NFL owner lost money?

If it were only about the money, he wouldn't be so hands-on. But just like when he first started, he still wants to show everybody he's the smartest guy in the room.

Might take a while, though

Yep, owning an NFL team basically prints it's own money based on how the league is setup with profit sharing.

[TLGPanthersFan]

33 minutes ago, Tbe said:

It’s not but it happens. I read how Doug Pederson had to sit in weekly meetings with the eagles owner and Howie Roseman during their superbowl year going over every decision made during the previous game.

The gist was the eagles were a complete sh@t show, but lucked into a good GM and coach.

Twice. 

[Beast_3000]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I see a lot of people thinking it's an OL issue or it's an offensive skill position talent issue or it's a QB issue or it's a coaching/scheming issue or it's a talent evaluation issue.

The simple answer is "yes". The answer to all those questions is "yes" because the issue is that at the foundation, the Panthers are a poorly ran football organization.

Our schemes don't fit our talent. Aside from Bryce, we tend to draft high RAS prospects who need technique development, but when was the last time we actually developed a player? One of our big talent issues is that our draft picks tend to be as good as they're going to get the day we draft them. From then on they either plateau or regress. It's hard to develop talent in an environment of coaching revolving doors and constant schematic and football philosophy turmoil.

Our last coach openly talked about the weekly meetings with Tepper and how Tepper is a very involved owner before being fired. Tepper's influence on personnel decisions and meddling down to the level of individual play calls is widely rumored at this point.

Long story short is we have a David Tepper problem. He keeps thinking we're one knee jerk move away from being a contender and he seems utterly clueless that building a football organization and then a football team from within that organization is a process. There aren't any bandaid quick fixes in the NFL and as long as he's constantly searching for that we're going to continue to be an ever worsening poo show.

He keeps looking for that one thing that's going to turn everything around whether it's hiring a hot shot college staff or hiring a complete retread highly experienced NFL staff or trading up to #1 to get what he views as a super processor QB but he either can't or refuses to acknowledge that we aren't one thing away from being a good football ORGANIZATION. He's the problem and that's a BIG problem because an ownership issue is the one thing you can't fix. You can't fire the owner. Until he realizes that he has to focus first on building a quality football organization we're doomed and the first step to building that quality football organization is seeing himself out of it.

He needs to be honest with himself. David Tepper the owner would have already fired David Tepper the President of Football Operations which is essentially the role that he's filling. He has to recognize this reality and essentially fire himself from his current role and redefine his role within the organization because it's very obvious that this current approach hasn't worked, isn't working, and is unlikely to work in the future.

So David, if you or anyone with your ear reads this, please hire someone qualified that you trust to build you a football organization and give that person the space and freedom to do it.

This needs to be an open editorial in the Observer. 

[Tbe]

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's what it'll take for us. Just the luck of Tepper stumbling into the right people and for them to overcome his meddling and have enough early success to actually earn his trust. It's a real long shot.

There’s a reason it took 50 years for the eagles to make the SB.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Tbe said:

There’s a reason it took 50 years for the eagles to make the SB.

They were consistently good through the Andy Reid era though, just couldn't quite breakthrough to the SB.

[Ornias]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They were consistently good through the Andy Reid era though, just couldn't quite breakthrough to the SB.

I miss the consistently mediocre we had under Rivera. 

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, Ornias said:

I miss the consistently mediocre we had under Rivera. 

It wasn't Ron. He was floated by some key elite talents. His record as a HC when he doesn't have a prime Cam at QB, Luke at MLB, and Olsen at TE is abysmal.

[CRA]

2 hours ago, csx said:

Firing Reich accomplished nothing.

Firing Ron Rivera accomplished nothing. 

[Billy Love]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It wasn't Ron. He was floated by some key elite talents. His record as a HC when he doesn't have a prime Cam at QB, Luke at MLB, and Olsen at TE is abysmal.

Ron Rivera rode the coat tails of those great players. Cam and Luke paid the ultimate price.