The Athletic: “‘Hunger Games’ culture” at BOFA

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

Yep

The pick was made long before Reich and McCown arrived. No one was changing Tepper’s mind 

I don’t really agree. I think this may have been like Marty’s love fest with Greg Little where he ignored the combine drills and the fact that he was a falling knife. Fitterer is on record that he and the scouts were on young the year before and the not throwing at the combine and measurable were all ignored. I think this article seems to point to a clear separation of GM and coach. Maybe Fitterer and others (Brown was the point guard QB guy) were able to convince everyone including Tepper that Younh would be great. Reich sure seemed high on Young right after the pick and Brown was talking about point guard QBs in February.

I don’t see Tepper as the scout. I see him as an owner who wants to be involved. His frustration sure seems IMHO to feel like he got fleeced and Fitt/others fed him stuff like why isn’t Frank working to fix his footwork. Tepper’s screwed up royally but this all smells like Fitterer fuging up again and going to Tepper with other coaches to save his job by throwing Reich and all under the bus. Not saying Reich didn’t deserve to be fired either. It’s a mess but to me this article seems to scream a divide between Fitterer and Reich after poo went bad.

[PanthersGTI]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Unfortunately, it's not like "the person he was working for" has exactly been successful in his role.

What I'll say in Frank's favor is that he really should have been allowed to hire anybody he wanted without interference. It might not have gone any better, but it would have been a much fairer approach.

(and most likely a lot less toxic)

I can't really put anything positive on people running to the owner. That's just childish behavior and certainly not something a professional does.

Yeah but lets say you are for example Jim Caldwell. You talk to Josh McCown about the plan with Bryce and where you think there is a glaring error ( in this case footwork or RPO in the scheme ). You go through a week or two of meetings/practice/games. Nothing changes. Okay, next stop : Frank. Same thing. Who do you go to then when you see the ship is sinking and no one you've spoken to has shown any ability to navigate this. Next step is the GM, Franks boss. Fitt takes it in, get's you to go with him to Tepper to show that here is someone on the offensive staff with some good points about what we've seen over the last 6-8 weeks. It makes sense to me. No one is helping your rookie QB get better and they get actively getting him killed out there through sheer negligence it sounds like. 

[jayboogieman]

15 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

Minority owner that had no say in football operations at all... thats like me owning stock in coke, doesnt mean I know how they make the products.

 

17 minutes ago, The Natural said:

I don't think you can really count holding a small minority share in a team as true experience though.

Just because you don't have a say in the operations and own a minority share, doesn't mean you can't learn or even ask questions. These people are billionaires with the egos to match. They're not being told to hand over the money and shut the fug up.

[CBDellinger]

2 hours ago, Prowler2k18 said:

 

Anyone else find that last sentence at least mildly disturbing? Why would they wait until the next offseason to fix what has obviously been a major flaw in his game? I always felt we should have “redshirted” Young the way the Chiefs did Mahomes his first year, and this just proves Reich and offense staff have mismanaged his  development.

No, this is how it is.  There not enough time btwn the drat and the start of the season to prepare a rookie qb to start and fix his mechanics.  By the time the draft has happened half of the offseason is gone.  And the player still has to move, get settled etc...   Mechanics is months and months of daily work to develop muscle memory.  You cannot do both, its one or the other.  Just not enough time.  

[jayboogieman]

 

[raleigh-panther]

2 hours ago, ncfan said:

Scott Fitterer

The guy who had CONVICTION on Bryce now cries about his footwork

…is now running and crying to Daddy to save his ass

He has to go …should’ve already been gone 

 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, raleigh-panther said:

Scott Fitterer

The guy who had CONVICTION on Bryce now cries about his footwork

…is now running and crying to Daddy to save his ass

He has to go …should’ve already been gone 

 

Stroud on pace for 5000 yards, ROY honors and outside shot at MVP

Stechien is up for COY

I hate the teppers so damn much

[Mr. Scot]

19 minutes ago, rayzor said:

SO my dad goes through this short lived phase in his early 70s where he decided he would help take care of leftovers in the refrigerator for lunches.

He sees a couple leftover things that he typically likes and he just throws it into a bowl together and warms it up.  i would tell him that this isn't a good idea, but he just can't understand why it wouldn't be. then one day he tried something like leftover spaghetti mixed with sauerkraut mixed with a couple other things i couldn't see and he gets about half way through his bowl and says to me, "son, i don't feel so well..."and then he's up and hustling to the bathroom and when he's done he says, "you know, maybe i shouldn't have mixed those things together." 

that's kind of what we had here in carolina.

Yesterday, I had to go to my optometrist and get an injection in my left  eyeball.

I think that was probably less painful than reading this story

[CBDellinger]

Just now, jayboogieman said:

 

Just because you don't have a say in the operations and own a minority share, doesn't mean you can't learn or even ask questions. These people are billionaires with the egos to match. They're not being told to hand over the money and shut the fug up.

In regards to football operations... thats exactly what they do.  They dont have a choice.  A 5% share doesnt override the guy that owns the majority.  They'd just tell him to take his money and go elsewhere.

[nctommy]

6 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

You guys remember that story about Tepper hating some dude so much he bought his house and demolished it?  What if that guy was a Panther fan too?  That would explain a lot.

It would be hard to say but the man who house Tepper bought is former NJ Governor and Senator Jon Corzine.  

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, nctommy said:

It would be hard to say but the man who house Tepper bought is former NJ Governor and Senator Jon Corzine.  

the ny times piece on tepper is fuging scary now in hindsight

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, PanthersGTI said:

Yeah but lets say you are for example Jim Caldwell. You talk to Josh McCown about the plan with Bryce and where you think there is a glaring error ( in this case footwork or RPO in the scheme ). You go through a week or two of meetings/practice/games. Nothing changes. Okay, next stop : Frank. Same thing. Who do you go to then when you see the ship is sinking and no one you've spoken to has shown any ability to navigate this. Next step is the GM, Franks boss. Fitt takes it in, get's you to go with him to Tepper to show that here is someone on the offensive staff with some good points about what we've seen over the last 6-8 weeks. It makes sense to me. No one is helping your rookie QB get better and they get actively getting him killed out there through sheer negligence it sounds like. 

Jim Caldwell Is the guy who got Frank into coaching. Don't buy for a minute that he would have anything to do with this.

The most reasonable suspicion seems to fall on James Campen and Chris Tabor, though I would say others who had no background with Reich may well be involved also.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

You guys remember that story about Tepper hating some dude so much he bought his house and demolished it?  What if that guy was a Panther fan too?  That would explain a lot.

Maybe Jerry Richardson pissed him off somehow 🫥

[CBDellinger]

9 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

You guys remember that story about Tepper hating some dude so much he bought his house and demolished it?  What if that guy was a Panther fan too?  That would explain a lot.

This never made sense to me... the guy sold it for $43.5 mil... then Tepper tore it down... why would that guy he hated care?  He got his money and moved on.  Not like he took the house from him at gun point.