It's official: Sean Payton > John Fox

[magnus]

Payton's a fine offensive coach but let's get a couple things right here:

*he got lucky getting Brees, who makes any playcall look good

*the Saints ran a bunch of the same routes all game. And not just going to a few of the same playcalls, they ran all-curls, all-slants, all-verticals a ton. That's not exactly innovation. That's just having box-out receivers.

*Hank Baskett correctly fields the on-sides and this thread doesn't exist

[Saint J]

the lombardi says payton

[Mr. Scot]

The Lombardi generally says a different thing on an annual basis.

If not for a fullback running on the field at the wrong time and Brett Favre making a dumb decision, we might not even be having this discussion. Heck, who knows what the Super Bowl result might have been if Dwight Freeney's ankle had been healthier? There's any number of variables in play.

A lot goes into winning a Super Bowl, luck included.

[Saint J]

did the panthers not have any luck in 2003? you're better than that.

[OneBadassCat]

2003 Panthers would stomp on 09 Saints

[Mr. Scot]

did the panthers not have any luck in 2003? you're better than that.

The Panthers had plenty of luck in 2003. Not to mention relatively good health, a favorable schedule, some guys peaking at the right time, the benefit of a call or two here and there, and several other factors.

Any team that wins, or gets to, the Super Bowl, benefits from these things to varying degrees. It's never as simple as "the best team wins". The better team doesn't always win, and that's true in the regular season, the playoffs, and yes, even the Super Bowl.

[Nu Guns]

LOL

I was gona make a thread about the same thing.

When I saw that onside kick- I was like thats classic John Fox right there!!! NOT!!!!!!

[Saint J]

2003 Panthers would stomp on 09 Saints

the 2003 panthers couldn't even stomp the haslett/brooks led saints, lol.

[Mr. Scot]

I love that some of the same folks who hate it when Delhomme gambles on a pass want to bow before Sean Payton for gambling on a kickoff

(do you guys even get that it could easily have gone the other way?)

Game planning and management are better tools by which to measure a coach. And again, even if you're the best in the world at that, it doesn't mean jack if your players don't execute.

Judging a coach by the success or failure of his gambles is pretty simple minded.

[OneBadassCat]

the 2003 panthers couldn't even stomp the haslett/brooks led saints, lol.

Lol. Panthers would dominate both sides of the trenches, plus that team had the WR's to air it out. It wouldn't really be close, plus we had steroids.

[Saint J]

if they couldn't even dominate our vastly inferior team in 2003 than they wouldn't do it now. sb winners>>>>>>>super bowl losers.

[Saint J]

the panthers won a whopping 4 games in 2003 by more than 7 points but they would TOTALLY DOMINATE the world champion saints omglol

[OneBadassCat]

the panthers won a whopping 4 games in 2003 by more than 7 points but they would TOTALLY DOMINATE the world champion saints omglol

Yep they were just a flat out better team. At least you could admit it.

[Saint J]

I was mocking you, dumbass