Derrick Brown is our Franchise player

[PleaseCutStewart]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

Just FYI brother, the base defense used by Kevin Steele at Auburn during Brown’s years was the 4-3.

Now Steele lined Brown up at various positions on that defensive front at different times according to the situation and play-call, but the vast majority of snaps were at 3-tech.

Was it? Ok, I thought I remembered them running a 3-4 there, but that was several years ago and probably remembered wrong. 

[KBRed]

13 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

Funny because when he was a rookie, Brown got the same vitriol Bryce gets now.

Boom! 

Edited November 29, 2023 by KBRed

[PantherPhann89]

14 hours ago, GPantherfan said:

Burns is the second best player on our D

30 million a year. No please 

I agree with the No to paying Burns 30 mil a year, but I'm not sure he's the 2nd best on our defense. I think we'd miss Luvu now than we'd miss Burns. 

[frankw]

What does Derrick Brown's adjustment to the NFL have to do with Bryce Young? Is DB an undersized defender with limited at best physical traits?

Edited November 29, 2023 by frankw

[Shotgun]

22 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

Funny because when he was a rookie, Brown got the same vitriol Bryce gets now.

People said Brown was too small to make it in the NFL? I don't remember that.

[AceBoogie]

22 hours ago, frankw said:

Earlier in the season before this offense killed the spirit of the locker room Brown was one of the few Panthers players showing heart and emotion.

He is absolutely part of our future going forward.

The offense killed the locker room lol. Defense giving up the most points in the league bruh. The TEAM is bad. It ain’t one man or one unit. 

[AceBoogie]

34 minutes ago, frankw said:

What does Derrick Brown's adjustment to the NFL have to do with Bryce Young? Is DB an undersized defender with limited at best physical traits?

He’s pointing out y’all rush to judgement and quite frankly don’t know what the fug you’re talking about. Respectfully. 

[frankw]

Just now, AceBoogie said:

The offense killed the locker room lol. Defense giving up the most points in the league bruh. The TEAM is bad. It ain’t one man or one unit. 

The defense has certainly taken a step back as the season went on. But are you seriously going to sit there and act like the offense has not demoralized the entire team? Multiple fumbles pick sixes endless wasted drives. That doesn't all add up?

You'll throw anyone under the bus to protect Bryce.

AceBoogie I got news for folks like you and Carl Spackler. That's not your baby. He's got a mommy and daddy. He doesn't need you hijacking every thread to throw yourself in front of him as a human shield.

[Shotgun]

8 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

The offense killed the locker room lol. Defense giving up the most points in the league bruh. The TEAM is bad. It ain’t one man or one unit. 

NFL Team Defense Rankings through Week 12

Total Defense

#	TEAM	DEFENSE YARDS AVG.	TD ALLOWED
1	Browns	247.9	25
2	Ravens	273.9	16
3	Cowboys	276.3	22
4	Chiefs	290	21
5	49ers	295.3	17
6	Panthers	304.5	35
7	Dolphins	305.2	30
8	Patriots	316.8	26
9	Bears	318.5	34
10	Lions	318.8	30
11	Bills	319.9	25
12	Saints	320.3	23
12	Vikings	320.3	23
14	Falcons	321.1	22
15	Jets	323.5	22
16	Rams	331.2	23
17	Titans	335.4	20
18	Packers	340.3	23
19	Eagles	341	30
20	Jaguars	342.4	27
21	Raiders	343.8	28
22	Texans	347.6	24
23	Seahawks	348.5	28
24	Colts	353	28
25	Steelers	354.4	19
26	Cardinals	358.5	38
27	Buccaneers	363.7	23
28	Giants	364.3	35
29	Commanders	377.7	39
30	Broncos	388.2	31
31	Bengals	389.3	25
32	Chargers	390.6	30

[Waldo]

The Panthers don't have a Franchise player. They have a few good players, Brown is one, but nothing more.

[frankw]

10 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

NFL Team Defense Rankings through Week 12

Total Defense

#	TEAM	DEFENSE YARDS AVG.	TD ALLOWED
1	Browns	247.9	25
2	Ravens	273.9	16
3	Cowboys	276.3	22
4	Chiefs	290	21
5	49ers	295.3	17
6	Panthers	304.5	35
7	Dolphins	305.2	30
8	Patriots	316.8	26
9	Bears	318.5	34
10	Lions	318.8	30
11	Bills	319.9	25
12	Saints	320.3	23
12	Vikings	320.3	23
14	Falcons	321.1	22
15	Jets	323.5	22
16	Rams	331.2	23
17	Titans	335.4	20
18	Packers	340.3	23
19	Eagles	341	30
20	Jaguars	342.4	27
21	Raiders	343.8	28
22	Texans	347.6	24
23	Seahawks	348.5	28
24	Colts	353	28
25	Steelers	354.4	19
26	Cardinals	358.5	38
27	Buccaneers	363.7	23
28	Giants	364.3	35
29	Commanders	377.7	39
30	Broncos	388.2	31
31	Bengals	389.3	25
32	Chargers	390.6	30

[Carl Spackler]

Yards against is good, but 35 TDs allowed is solid enough for 30th in the league. I recall ranking 30th in scoring offense being bad -- is 30th in scoring defense good?

Even if that includes offensive turnovers returned for TDs, you could take those away and it's still bottom-five in the league. Injuries have decimated them and despite that, Evero's done an admirable job. But to act like the defense has done great when that TD number is out there is crazy.

[BullCityP]

Why do we act like we have to CHOOSE who we keep we can keep both Burns AND Brown!! We have a team with NO talent so you keep the ones who can play!! Ya'll want to trade them for picks when we've proven time and time again that we can't draft worth pooh smh

[AceBoogie]

3 hours ago, frankw said:

The defense has certainly taken a step back as the season went on. But are you seriously going to sit there and act like the offense has not demoralized the entire team? Multiple fumbles pick sixes endless wasted drives. That doesn't all add up?

You'll throw anyone under the bus to protect Bryce.

AceBoogie I got news for folks like you and Carl Spackler. That's not your baby. He's got a mommy and daddy. He doesn't need you hijacking every thread to throw yourself in front of him as a human shield.

 

Bryce has played like a rookie. He hasn’t been the guy I’ve seen at Alabama. I’ve been underwhelmed and disappointed. Is that what you want to hear? These are the facts of how I feel. 
 

But when it comes to the CAROLINA PANTHERS. He’s not in my top 10 list of issues with this team. If I’m wrong about Bryce then that situation will fix itself in due time. But in the meantime I do believe he’s unfairly criticized here to the  point (just like when Cam was here) that we can’t even begin to have a rational discussion 

You got people here calling him Jimmy Clausen and wanting Andy Dalton to start.