A year to early, Tepp, Fitt, Reich

[Mr. Scot]

43 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're only saying this because we drafted Bryce Young. We'd all be excited as hell about the future if we'd drafted CJ Stroud. 

My take...

Not that high on Caleb Williams either.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

My take...

Not that high on Caleb Williams either.

Me neither. The guy holds the ball forever and the majority of his highlights are broken play backyard football. No one wants to a run a "broken play on three" offense. 

Don't get me wrong, he's still a helluva prospect but I think he's total boom or bust. I can't see him being decent. He's gonna be great or he's gonna be awful. It'll either translate or it won't. I don't see any gray area.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Me neither. The guy holds the ball forever and the majority of his highlights are broken play backyard football. No one wants to a run a "broken play on three" offense. 

Don't get me wrong, he's still a helluva prospect but I think he's total boom or bust. I can't see him being decent. He's gonna be great or he's gonna be awful. It'll either translate or it won't. I don't see any gray area.

So far he's in the category of "phenomenal athlete, maybe not the best quarterback" for me.

Being in a Riley offense probably doesn't help.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So far he's in the category of "phenomenal athlete, maybe not the best quarterback" for me.

Being in a Riley offense probably doesn't help.

Oh, I think it helps a LOT. Everyone Riley puts out there looks great and they all end up in the Heisman race and top picks.

I mean, Hurts looked like a guy who needed a position change at Bama and Riley turned him into a Heisman candidate, 2nd round pick, and now he's a legit NFL MVP caliber QB.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Oh, I think it helps a LOT. Everyone Riley puts out there looks great and they all end up in the Heisman race and top picks with a pretty good track record of panning out in the NFL.

I mean, Hurts looked like a guy who needed a position change at Bama and Riley turned him into a Heisman candidate, 2nd round pick, and now he's a legit NFL MVP caliber QB.

Kinda what I mean. It's like quarterback in  an Andy Reid system. They may genuinely be that good, but it's harder to tell because the system makes even average quarterbacks look great.

[WUnderhill]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This cope that it's everything else other than Bryce has to stop. Go watch the Seahawks game again if you don't believe me. Bryce is a HUGE part of what is wrong with our offense.

Ah yes, Bryce has about 5% of plays per game where absolutely everything isn’t falling apart around him and he isn’t throwing TDs on every one of those plays. Super realistic expectations. It is mind numbingly stupid to pretend you of all people can properly evaluate a QB in this offense. Keep ignoring the many professionals who are saying the same as me. Like Feely just the other day talking about how lack of confidence in your OL (deserved lack of confidence as well) can lead to not climbing the pocket even when it’s clean and every play being a scramble drill. Professionals who have forgotten more about football than you’ll ever know have been pointing it out all season. I’m just hoping this season doesn’t ruin him for the rest of his career. We talk about David Carr as a “who knows whether he would have become a good QB if he wasn’t surrounded by incompetence to start his career”. We don’t say “well he clearly wasn’t talented.” The talent is clearly there and to continue to pretend like it’s a talent issue is just dumb. Sorry if I don’t adhere to your arm chair gm evaluation of a QB you are determined to hate. “Cope” indeed what a cringe argument.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, WUnderhill said:

Ah yes, Bryce has about 5% of plays per game where absolutely everything isn’t falling apart around him and he isn’t throwing TDs on every one of those plays. Super realistic expectations. It is mind numbingly stupid to pretend you of all people can properly evaluate a QB in this offense. Keep ignoring the many professionals who are saying the same as me. Like Feely just the other day talking about how lack of confidence in your OL (deserved lack of confidence as well) can lead to not climbing the pocket even when it’s clean and every play being a scramble drill. Professionals who have forgotten more about football than you’ll ever know have been pointing it out all season. I’m just hoping this season doesn’t ruin him for the rest of his career. We talk about David Carr as a “who knows whether he would have become a good QB if he wasn’t surrounded by incompetence to start his career”. We don’t say “well he clearly wasn’t talented.” The talent is clearly there and to continue to pretend like it’s a talent issue is just dumb. Sorry if I don’t adhere to your arm chair gm evaluation of a QB you are determined to hate. “Cope” indeed what a cringe argument.

Keep coping. All those same professionals were very high on Bryce as a draft prospect. Being wrong is a bitter pill to swallow.

Where is the talent clearly evident? Every week Bryce looks like a guy who just doesn't have NFL talent.

[WUnderhill]

34 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

or maybe, just maybe stroud would unlock Mingo, hurst and chark and open up reichs offense, you know like he is doing in houston.  imagine that

Ah yes, Bryce is whiffing blocks and running slow and bad routes. Last game, when Bryce put the ball in Mingo’s hands on second down, it was Bryce who dropped the pass for him because Mingo didn’t feel “unlocked” enough to catch that pass. And it was obviously Bryce who made the OL whiff on their blocking assignments and the RB run backwards on first down to lose yards. Then it was Bryce’s fault the OL false started on the subsequent 3rd down. So clearly when Bryce is forced into a 3rd and 18 behind an OL that can’t pass protect with slow WRs that can’t separate, he should be a miracle worker as a rookie QB. And he should do that over and over again every game just to salvage some semblance of an average offense. This is all very realistic.

[Panthercougar68]

Using the word “cope” in an argument is the same energy as TLDR.

[Johnstonny]

Analyze and stigmatize all you want, but we suck cause of our owner....argue and debate all you want about what coulda been and what should be...our owner sucks..keep debating on how to get better but it won't matter because we have a shity owner...

[Mr. Scot]

For the record, big believer in Drake Maye.

Fan of JJ McCarthy also.

[WUnderhill]

20 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Keep coping. All those same professionals were very high on Bryce as a draft prospect. Being wrong is a bitter pill to swallow.

Where is the talent clearly evident? Every week Bryce looks like a guy who just doesn't have NFL talent.

Clearly what I’m saying has gone over your head. Whether equating “immediate pressure up the middle” to simply “pressure”, or thinking I was making any sort of comment about the Car/Hou game as a whole, or continuing to think about Bryce existing only in the context of this offense directly after I said it is moronic to do so. This is the problem, we can’t have a normal discussion because of idiotic takes like he doesn’t have talent, he can’t throw the ball 20yds, Stroud would look just as good in this offense, we would be happy with Richardson who may never throw right again, etc. Keep telling people to “cope” instead of having an actual conversation. And the complete lack of awareness to sit there on a high horse and try to talk about people who just want to be right. Pot meet kettle.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, WUnderhill said:

Clearly what I’m saying has gone over your head. Whether equating “immediate pressure up the middle” to simply “pressure”, or thinking I was making any sort of comment about the Car/Hou game as a whole, or continuing to think about Bryce existing only in the context of this offense directly after I said it is moronic to do so. This is the problem, we can’t have a normal discussion because of idiotic takes like he doesn’t have talent, he can’t throw the ball 20yds, Stroud would look just as good in this offense, we would be happy with Richardson who may never throw right again, etc. Keep telling people to “cope” instead of having an actual conversation. And the complete lack of awareness to sit there on a high horse and try to talk about people who just want to be right. Pot meet kettle.

It's just comical at this point.

[Mage]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Me neither. The guy holds the ball forever and the majority of his highlights are broken play backyard football. No one wants to a run a "broken play on three" offense. 

Don't get me wrong, he's still a helluva prospect but I think he's total boom or bust. I can't see him being decent. He's gonna be great or he's gonna be awful. It'll either translate or it won't. I don't see any gray area.

IMO he is going to work out if he goes to a team with stability already in place.  Too good of a talent.  Let a guy like Sean McVay or KOC work with him with those receivers and boy oh boy.

Unfortunately for Caleb, those types of teams don't pick in the top 3.  I could be wrong here but he strikes me as someone that when the going gets tough, he's not going to rebound as well as others would/will.  Especially when it isn't just losing games but him not putting up the big numbers he's used to in college.