Horn and Henderson Doubtful Sunday

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, frankw said:

Such a joke. Fitterer traded away the potential league MVP to draft DJ Johnson lol.  CMC probably has more offense than Bruce Young as a RB. 

[Basbear]

55 minutes ago, CRA said:

Such a joke. Fitterer traded away the potential league MVP to draft DJ Johnson lol.  CMC probably has more offense than Bruce Young as a RB. 

I mean thats the most talented team - QB(whom is legit) in the league. 

besides i agreed with getting rid of cmc, 16mill per is insane for any RB including whoever the best one is. 

[CRA]

26 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I mean thats the most talented team - QB(whom is legit) in the league. 

besides i agreed with getting rid of cmc, 16mill per is insane for any RB including whoever the best one is. 

CMC is really a RB/WR though.  He is a tad abnormal.  

issue there is simply you drafted a rookie dink and dunker (mortgaged the short term) and traded away the the ideal player to pair him with for development with for essentially nothing to gain offensively.  

I can get down with not overpaying a RB in the big picture.  It’s not smart.  It’s also not smart to try to develop a QB with nothing and CMC was already here and is a 18M cap hit in Carolina this year despite not playing here. 

Big picture, I don’t think you should pay RBs big money.  But that particular trade was bad given we needed to develop Bryce, what we got for him, the little we did with it, and the fact CMC is still impacting our cap in a trade. 

[Paa Langfart]

3 hours ago, dave-o said:

Is Horn trade-able at this point?

Send him to San Fran and he'll become an instant pro bowl all star never to miss another game.

[Jmac]

I'm sick of all this bullsh%t. Get rid of them all.

[cardiackat88.]

3 hours ago, ncfan said:

Smh

 

I hate discussing coulda-beens and shoulda-beens.

I have the feeling Surtain or Richardson would both suck, be hurt all the time, and/or be completely misused if they were Panthers.

 

[Basbear]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

CMC is really a RB/WR though.  He is a tad abnormal.  

issue there is simply you drafted a rookie dink and dunker (mortgaged the short term) and traded away the the ideal player to pair him with for development with for essentially nothing to gain offensively.  

I can get down with not overpaying a RB in the big picture.  It’s not smart.  It’s also not smart to try to develop a QB with nothing and CMC was already here and is a 18M cap hit in Carolina this year despite not playing here. 

Big picture, I don’t think you should pay RBs big money.  But that particular trade was bad given we needed to develop Bryce, what we got for him, the little we did with it, and the fact CMC is still impacting our cap in a trade. 

Yes hes a weapon, but his main spot is RB. Spending 16per there is not smart football. Much like herniay did for dam near 20 years, but back on CMC.... I liked him and all, but not 16per like. (bump any thread form when he was given that deal). Besides he never lead them to a above 5 wins. Then theres the mystery of his injuries and NOT playing the final few games(was it 2 different years?)...

I disagreed with the trades for young and dj johnson. The whole deal has been handled poorly, each level- the trade, the support, the fixing, etc. Just a huge mess thats going to take years just to getting back to even... 

I honestly thought they would been able to run the ball like the final 8-9 games in 22, that should have taken loads of pressure off. But low and behold the OL is the worst unit *if you factor in giants injuries*. Not to say young would be lighting it up, cause even when the stars aligned....hes played like a rookie and not some #1 savior lifting the whole team to winning. 

[CRA]

30 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Yes hes a weapon, but his main spot is RB. Spending 16per there is not smart football. Much like herniay did for dam near 20 years, but back on CMC.... I liked him and all, but not 16per like. (bump any thread form when he was given that deal). Besides he never lead them to a above 5 wins. Then theres the mystery of his injuries and NOT playing the final few games(was it 2 different years?)...

I disagreed with the trades for young and dj johnson. The whole deal has been handled poorly, each level- the trade, the support, the fixing, etc. Just a huge mess thats going to take years just to getting back to even... 

I honestly thought they would been able to run the ball like the final 8-9 games in 22, that should have taken loads of pressure off. But lo and behold the OL is the worst unit *if you factor in giants injuries*. Not to say young would be lighting it up, cause even when the stars aligned....hes played like a rookie and not some #1 savior lifting the whole team to winning. 

We already paid him though.   Which is why he is a huge cap hit for us right now despite not playing here.  And we are developing a rookie QB who we mortgaged the future for right now….not in win now mode.  So just from a developmental standpoint of Bryce Young and where we presently are….that deal  and even the inclusion of DJ Moore in the other just don’t really make sense big picture. 

the vision and overall whatever this group is doing is just bad.  The front office doesn’t seem to have a plan.  They seem reactionary. 

but we shouldn’t of paid CMC when we did.  And I don’t endorse paying RBs in general.  I have said that since we talked of paying DWill. 

In all honesty, I think the actual reason we traded CMC was the front office organizing a tank for the #1 overall.   And that didn’t work.   Nothing they do works. But I 100% believe they thought trading CMC guaranteed them the #1 pick in the draft.  They didn’t think or see Wilks pulling off what he did.  He fugged it up lol.  

[frankw]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

Such a joke. Fitterer traded away the potential league MVP to draft DJ Johnson lol.  CMC probably has more offense than Bruce Young as a RB. 

The return value was poor I agree but McCaffrey would not be seeing that level of production here with this oline and he would probably be banged up as well. Not to mention we haven't seen a coach with even half the creativity of Shanahan in many years.

The more egregious trade was DJ Moore. Top 10 wide receiver and one of our desperate top needs is...

Edited November 24, 2023 by frankw

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, frankw said:

The return value was poor I agree but McCaffrey would not be seeing that level of production here with this oline and he would probably be banged up as well. Not to mention we haven't seen a coach with even half the creativity of Shanahan in many years.

The more egregious trade was DJ Moore. Top 10 wide receiver and one of our desperate top needs is...

I’m not implying he would do the same thing here…

just pointing out we are attempting to develop a dink and dunker QB….and we traded away one of the top 10 offensive players in the entire NFL (who is built to aid a dink and dunker) for frankly nothing (and taking a huge cap hit this year on him)

and yes, DJ Moore is another example. 

everything is just different examples of a poor front office with a poor plan vision 

there definitely is a luck/unlucky aspect to some things.  I think most reasonable people thought trading CMC locked in that #1 overall pick in the moment.   But you aren’t this bad for this long…..if you don’t have horrible people in your front office.  It’s not just Tepper.  There are lots of controlling and meddling owners with good talent.  Tepper has bad people in the front office.  We still need to burn this thing down.  Again. 

[Daeavorn]

Horn? Who's that?

[AceBoogie]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Such a joke. Fitterer traded away the potential league MVP to draft DJ Johnson lol.  CMC probably has more offense than Bruce Young as a RB. 

Don’t know why y’all insist on single out #9, who ironically would have much more offense if CMC was here. AT on pace for a career year with 9. It’s a team game. This is a bad offense no matter who the QB is. 

[Ricky Spanish]

5 hours ago, dave-o said:

Is Horn trade-able at this point?

No one is, trade deadline passed.

[TheBigKat]

Looks like Horn learned a lot from CMC