Bryce vs Cowboys All 22

[ForJimmy]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No, I don't. But the fact remains that he put up significantly better numbers in one game than Bryce has in nine. That can't be ignored. Same offense. Same OL (Dalton was under heavy pressure all game). Same receivers. Very different looking results. Interesting.

I'm not directly comparing Bryce to Cam. Everyone knows they're very different QBs. My point was that you're looking splashes of the talent to be elite, regardless of the W-L record. We saw it in droves with Cam. We haven't seen much at all to cling to out of Bryce.

 

Why do you think Dalton's performance against Seattle was better than Young's against Houston?  Young just didn't have as many attempts but his YPA was better plus his completion % was better and (most importantly) he secured a win.  Dalton had more yards but I would argue he was the less efficient QB.  I just think Dalton's game wasn't that special that's all.  It gets overhyped on here quite a bit IMO...

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, Cam Lawter said:

 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Why do you think Dalton's performance against Seattle was better than Young's against Houston?  Young just didn't have as many attempts but his YPA was better plus his completion % was better and (most importantly) he secured a win.  Dalton had more yards but I would argue he was the less efficient QB.  I just think Dalton's game wasn't that special that's all.  It gets overhyped on here quite a bit IMO...

Dalton's game wasn't special it was just pretty good which makes it pretty special for the Panthers in recent years.

In Bryce's best game as a pro he threw for 235 yards and a TD and we scored 15 points in an ugly defensive struggle win. I mean... that pretty much says it all right there.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Hell, we don't even have to go back to Cam. Teddy Bridgewater had better  games as a Panther than Bryce has ever had. Sam Darnold had better games as a Panthers than Bryce has ever had. Baker Mayfield had better games as a Panther than Bryce has ever had.

I just thought our last #1 overall pick was a fair comp for our current #1 overall pick. Yeah, they're very different players and I don't expect Bryce to be able to do the same things that Cam could do but is a highlight here and there and just a wee bit of excitement really too much to ask of out of ab#1 pick? It doesn't help that Stroud is rewriting rookie record books in Houston with a less than stellar supporting cast.

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Dalton's game wasn't special it was just pretty good which makes it pretty special for the Panthers in recent years.

In Bryce's best game as a pro he threw for 235 yards and a TD and we scored 15 points in an ugly defensive struggle win. I mean... that pretty much says it all right there.

 

Yeah one QB had a higher completion %, a better YPA, and a win vs one who threw it 27 more times (nearly double) had more yards and one more TD in a loss.  It's a strange flex to me.  I hate to state the obvious, but if you throw it twice as much you typically get more yards even with a lower YPA....

Young's best game was very pedestrian, and you can easily argue he played better than Dalton.

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Hell, we don't even have to go back to Cam. Teddy Bridgewater had better  games as a Panther than Bryce has ever had. Sam Darnold had better games as a Panthers than Bryce has ever had. Baker Mayfield had better games as a Panther than Bryce has ever had.

I just thought our last #1 overall pick was a fair comp for our current #1 overall pick. Yeah, they're very different players and I don't expect Bryce to be able to do the same things that Can could do but is a highlight here and there and just a wee bit of excitement really too much to ask of out of ab#1 pick? It doesn't help that Stroud is rewriting rookie record books in Houston with a less than stellar supporting cast.

I wish we took Stroud.  He was my draft crush, but we can't change the past.  He would have our offense looking better now doubt, but I am not sure how good peak Rodgers could look in this Fitter/Reich poo show.  

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah one QB had a higher completion %, a better YPA, and a win vs one who threw it 27 more times (nearly double) had more yards and one more TD in a loss.  It's a strange flex to me.  I hate to state the obvious, but if you throw it twice as much you typically get more yards even with a lower YPA....

Young's best game was very pedestrian, and you can easily argue he played better than Dalton.

We have to try to argue that Bryce's best game out of nine MIGHT be better than the one game a washed up journeyman played in the same offense with the same OL and receivers. Yeah, again... that pretty much says it all.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I wish we took Stroud.  He was my draft crush, but we can't change the past.  He would have our offense looking better now doubt, but I am not sure how good peak Rodgers could look in this Fitter/Reich poo show.  

At this point I'm left hoping that Bryce can deliver us #1 overall in '25.

[Shotgun]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Hell, we don't even have to go back to Cam. Teddy Bridgewater had better  games as a Panther than Bryce has ever had. Sam Darnold had better games as a Panthers than Bryce has ever had. Baker Mayfield had better games as a Panther than Bryce has ever had.

I just thought our last #1 overall pick was a fair comp for our current #1 overall pick. Yeah, they're very different players and I don't expect Bryce to be able to do the same things that Cam could do but is a highlight here and there and just a wee bit of excitement really too much to ask of out of ab#1 pick? It doesn't help that Stroud is rewriting rookie record books in Houston with a less than stellar supporting cast.

You forgot PJ

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We have to try to argue that Bryce's best game out of nine MIGHT be better than the one game a washed up journeyman played in the same offense with the same OL and receivers. Yeah, again... that pretty much says it all.

That's really all I am saying.  Dalton's game wasn't that great.  Reich/Fitt and company have completely screwed this whole thing up.  Part of that is picking Young over Stroud to go with this terrible scheme and terrible roster.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

You forgot PJ

PJ didn't. He was terrible if we're being honest. But he did have a better highlight reel. That's true.

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

At this point I'm left hoping that Bryce can deliver us #1 overall in '25.

If Bryce can get Fitt and Reich fired plus deliver us someone like Sanders in 25 with an actual GM and HC that know what they are doing then that may make all of this worth it.  We need a HARD reset in 25 if we continue down this road.

[Gapanthersfan]

 I went back and looked at the drive stats, in that game, in that loud stadium, dudes all over him he made completions for: 23,47,28,23,15,25. These are only the bigger ones. He had lots in the 5 to 10 range. 

Only the 28 yard shot to Chark came on a 1st down. All the rest were on 2nd or 3rd and only 2 of them were 3rd and short.

these were in deafening Seattle, throw off back foot guy in his face or stand in pocket and get rolled type throws. We haven’t seen that type of performance in years. To minimize it is a crime. 

that was a big boy game, regardless of what their pasing d stats said. that’s the game that has Bryce in surgery that night.

I truly hope Bryce can morph in to that one day.

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Gapanthersfan said:

If Bryce was a playmaker, he would have made one by now. And by that, I mean a play only a few other QBs could pull off. 
 

It’s so depressing to know that THE MOST OBVIOUS draft pick we’ve had since Cam, was passed over for the guy who does nothing well and many things poorly. 
 

Every game feels like the turd that just won’t flush. So hideously frustrating. 

Well, it's definitely not because the turd is too big.